I don't think it's making a huge difference to me. I know a lot of new users were struggling site to lack of mana initially, but I've not heard much about that recently. I've not created any new accounts yet. It does seem that certain voting farms can still operate. I'd hoped it would affect them more. Overall it's a 'meh' from me, but I may not be seeing the bigger picture.
I know it does affect how new accounts are created and that Steemit are still creating most of them. I just hope there are not as many fakes as before. We need real people on Steem.
We waited a long time for it, but it just doesn't seem that dramatic to me.
Well Everyone said this was the answer to speeding up and onboarding new users. My friend just signed up, it took one week to approve his Steemit account. I needed to explain the keys he was so confused. Did it get any easier for the non crypto.......not from the frustration he shared with me. If we don’t fix this problem, we will not grow🙃
the keys thing is ridiculously complex. I still don't really get it. Im sure random people out there in the world will be immediately turned away when they get to all of that nonsense.
I have a hard enough time just trying to get friends to try Steemit. I think you are right, we need to improve this. We also need much better instructions on how everything works on Steemit. I dig and dig to find out how things work. This is like a online game with no instructions, you don’t know how to “ play the game “. The whales know, but they are not telling us.....
One thing I had hope would happen is STINC withdraw all their faucet delegations and start over with the new RC system. That's assuming they've fixed their broken sign up process.
That would have hurt most of the existing vote farms as well.
What do I think about the aftermath of HF20..? Good question, @themarkymark :-)
I think in general the aims stated are noble and good. Of course we all agree with all the preparations, made for the eventual implementation of SMT's, are necessary and good; if you're not convinced about the possible gains for the steem blockchain to be had from facilitating the development of targeted Dapps, just take a look at what's happening with EOS right now.
The thing that has everybody worried, myself included, is the balance we have to find between granting users (especially new users) enough RC to freely move around and be active and engaging on one hand, and not enough RC to start abusing the blockchain with bots and spam posts / comments on the other. I know you personally do a ton of work to catch these accounts, something you don't get enough credits for I think, but it would be nice if there's a balance to be found so this type of misuse is discouraged in the first place. And I do have the feeling that there's a lot less shit-comments at least, but I could be wrong of course.
Looking around in the comments here and in many other posts about the subject, I am worried; if it is true that new users can only normally use steemit if someone delegates SP to them, then something is wrong still with that balance. Spam is a pain in the ass, and so is the abuse of bots to upvote shit-posts onto the trending page; this takes many hours of your time too, hunting them down occasionally. Steemcleaners and @cheetah and people like you are still necessary I'm afraid. If the RC limit has to be raised to give new users room to breathe, It's my opinion that we would have to take the spam and bot-abuse on the cheek and deal as best we can with them. Closing the front gate to new users is the wrong thing to do, however noble and righteous the intended goals.
Having said that, there may be ways to solve this front gate problem with leaving the current RC limit intact. Is there a way, for example, to collectively donate or delegate SP into some sort of new-user-pool from which SP can be delegated to committed new users? I would donate for that. Also we could to something to lower expectations for the outside people coming in; I know steemit inc. does very little in ways of promotion and advertising, but is there a way for the community to pick this up? And promote steemit in a way so that new users don't come here with the idea of making some easy money on the side, but with the realistic idea of basically having to start over building a network of their own?
I can't organize these things as I often lack the time to even post once a day, an ironclad promise I made to myself and to @helpie, so I'm just thinking out loud here. And probably said some things that are addressed already or are just plain wrong; so please correct me if that's the case.
Thanks for keeping the discussion alive and for all you do for steem, steemit and @helpie :-)
I'm frustrated with the assumption from Steemit Inc that everyone is a developer. Oh, If you want to create accounts with RC, you have to go to github and figure out how to code it for yourself. What really happens is that we have to wait until someone out there builds a tool to do it. What really bothers me is it is not safe for a non-developer. For us, we have to send our Active Key to another user so that accounts can be created on their computer. Thus they have our active key. How about if we want to know how much RC we have or voting power. We have to leave Steemit to do that. That is not a problem for a developer with 3 screens and handles multiple sites at once as a normal thing or builds themselves a dashboard. What they forget is that most users are not developers.
More testing would have been nice but overall it's pretty decent.
The changes will probably help steem grow if leveraged right and the only thing I miss about the messy week is increased author rewards :^)
I like the idea of claimed accounts and applications with large steem pools can speed up the onboarding if new users.
I like the the RC system but it could be a bit more lenient to people with less than 50sp to not block them from interacting and I don't know if RC delegating to individuals will be enough to help all newbies transact before deciding to invest or earning their stake though participation.
I'm not really sure if HF20 is a good thing?
It probably depends on if all users need to understand fully how things work?
I think most of us don't understand how curation rewards now work? Can or can't I get any curation reward when I upvote within 15 minutes?
Personally I don't really like it. Cause it seems more difficult to fully understand how curation rewards work and to earn high curation rewards.
And I can't make nice profits via bid bots.
And last but not least a question about curation. Let's assume I self upvote my post after 16 minutes and I am the first upvoter. Will I then receive a curation reward from all upvotes that come in later?
I don't think it's making a huge difference to me. I know a lot of new users were struggling site to lack of mana initially, but I've not heard much about that recently. I've not created any new accounts yet. It does seem that certain voting farms can still operate. I'd hoped it would affect them more. Overall it's a 'meh' from me, but I may not be seeing the bigger picture.
I know it does affect how new accounts are created and that Steemit are still creating most of them. I just hope there are not as many fakes as before. We need real people on Steem.
We waited a long time for it, but it just doesn't seem that dramatic to me.
What has been dramatic for me is not having to wait so long between making comments.
I try and reply and upvote almost every comment that I get and it used to be so slow and tedious. The difference in speed now is night and day.
Well Everyone said this was the answer to speeding up and onboarding new users. My friend just signed up, it took one week to approve his Steemit account. I needed to explain the keys he was so confused. Did it get any easier for the non crypto.......not from the frustration he shared with me. If we don’t fix this problem, we will not grow🙃
the keys thing is ridiculously complex. I still don't really get it. Im sure random people out there in the world will be immediately turned away when they get to all of that nonsense.
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This is an explanation of keys that I wrote a long time ago. Share it with your friends or create your own version to blog. It is not a fix, but it can help folks understand the keys better.
https://steemit.com/life/@socky/do-you-understand-your-steemit-keys
Thanks @socky. I know steemit will get easier, it can be difficult for newbies.... :)
I have a hard enough time just trying to get friends to try Steemit. I think you are right, we need to improve this. We also need much better instructions on how everything works on Steemit. I dig and dig to find out how things work. This is like a online game with no instructions, you don’t know how to “ play the game “. The whales know, but they are not telling us.....
I would say it was a huge improvement regarding on boarding and resource credits. Same with curation.
Now that the launch is behind us I'm glad for having forked.
I dunno`? How do you feel?
I don't seem to be making as much rewards.
But that could be because I'm not loading spicy enough gifs.
Wassup!
One thing I had hope would happen is STINC withdraw all their faucet delegations and start over with the new RC system. That's assuming they've fixed their broken sign up process.
That would have hurt most of the existing vote farms as well.
What do I think about the aftermath of HF20..? Good question, @themarkymark :-)
I think in general the aims stated are noble and good. Of course we all agree with all the preparations, made for the eventual implementation of SMT's, are necessary and good; if you're not convinced about the possible gains for the steem blockchain to be had from facilitating the development of targeted Dapps, just take a look at what's happening with EOS right now.
The thing that has everybody worried, myself included, is the balance we have to find between granting users (especially new users) enough RC to freely move around and be active and engaging on one hand, and not enough RC to start abusing the blockchain with bots and spam posts / comments on the other. I know you personally do a ton of work to catch these accounts, something you don't get enough credits for I think, but it would be nice if there's a balance to be found so this type of misuse is discouraged in the first place. And I do have the feeling that there's a lot less shit-comments at least, but I could be wrong of course.
Looking around in the comments here and in many other posts about the subject, I am worried; if it is true that new users can only normally use steemit if someone delegates SP to them, then something is wrong still with that balance. Spam is a pain in the ass, and so is the abuse of bots to upvote shit-posts onto the trending page; this takes many hours of your time too, hunting them down occasionally. Steemcleaners and @cheetah and people like you are still necessary I'm afraid. If the RC limit has to be raised to give new users room to breathe, It's my opinion that we would have to take the spam and bot-abuse on the cheek and deal as best we can with them. Closing the front gate to new users is the wrong thing to do, however noble and righteous the intended goals.
Having said that, there may be ways to solve this front gate problem with leaving the current RC limit intact. Is there a way, for example, to collectively donate or delegate SP into some sort of new-user-pool from which SP can be delegated to committed new users? I would donate for that. Also we could to something to lower expectations for the outside people coming in; I know steemit inc. does very little in ways of promotion and advertising, but is there a way for the community to pick this up? And promote steemit in a way so that new users don't come here with the idea of making some easy money on the side, but with the realistic idea of basically having to start over building a network of their own?
I can't organize these things as I often lack the time to even post once a day, an ironclad promise I made to myself and to @helpie, so I'm just thinking out loud here. And probably said some things that are addressed already or are just plain wrong; so please correct me if that's the case.
Thanks for keeping the discussion alive and for all you do for steem, steemit and @helpie :-)
I'm frustrated with the assumption from Steemit Inc that everyone is a developer. Oh, If you want to create accounts with RC, you have to go to github and figure out how to code it for yourself. What really happens is that we have to wait until someone out there builds a tool to do it. What really bothers me is it is not safe for a non-developer. For us, we have to send our Active Key to another user so that accounts can be created on their computer. Thus they have our active key. How about if we want to know how much RC we have or voting power. We have to leave Steemit to do that. That is not a problem for a developer with 3 screens and handles multiple sites at once as a normal thing or builds themselves a dashboard. What they forget is that most users are not developers.
I hope Steemit can start retaining new users! It's a little scary and overwhelming to newbies!
More testing would have been nice but overall it's pretty decent.
The changes will probably help steem grow if leveraged right and the only thing I miss about the messy week is increased author rewards :^)
I like the idea of claimed accounts and applications with large steem pools can speed up the onboarding if new users.
I like the the RC system but it could be a bit more lenient to people with less than 50sp to not block them from interacting and I don't know if RC delegating to individuals will be enough to help all newbies transact before deciding to invest or earning their stake though participation.
I'm not really sure if HF20 is a good thing?
It probably depends on if all users need to understand fully how things work?
I think most of us don't understand how curation rewards now work? Can or can't I get any curation reward when I upvote within 15 minutes?
Personally I don't really like it. Cause it seems more difficult to fully understand how curation rewards work and to earn high curation rewards.
And I can't make nice profits via bid bots.
And last but not least a question about curation. Let's assume I self upvote my post after 16 minutes and I am the first upvoter. Will I then receive a curation reward from all upvotes that come in later?