The calm before the storm
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4 years ago in #steem by themarkymark (78)
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Why a time frame of
How Justin would be able to take all 20 spots in that time?
He’s slowly buying and powering up STEEM, he will just catch up at some point.
I just think it is coming soon. It will probably be longer but I feel it’s coming soon.
@themarkymark, We are in the Transformational Times and we are here to experience some aspects of life. We don't know what will going to happen with Steem tomorrow but no one can destroy the value of experience and essence it gave to it's users. Enjoy your journey and stay blessed.
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Yeah STEEM is good as long as it still works and we can make money on posts to convert to btc! It is the experience of steem being such a disaster that keeps drawing me back in!!
We are diversified Beings and go through from diversified experiences, that's the beauty of Human Beings. Stay blessed.
Allowing fast powerdown to only a select few exchange accounts and locking the rest of us in is effectively GAME OVER for this chain.
I've seen a few comments like the above. I do not see that, in fact I see just the opposite. He has the money, he wants to make money, and he can do nothing right now other than wait for 13 week power down if he wants to make any money. I myself, while I have some steem, do not have any money to lose. I can wait and wait until the cows go home, and I still earn SP if I continue to post vote and comment.
All of us that have been through one or two of the last hard Forks understand that shit happens during the Hard Forks. Steem block Chain is not a simple thing like some others are. I don't know how the Tron Chain works if they just make hard forks and no problems, I don't know how complicated Tron chain is compared to Steem Block Chain. Are we comparing apples and ornages in that they are both fruit and have similar issue, or are we comparing bananas and 3 penny nails which have nothing in common?
Just think, we the Steem Community could become the Bikini Atoll of the block chain world when Justin Sun has his developers force through a Hard Fork.
So I will sit back vote, comment and post until the cows come home. Even though I don't post a lot, I do read, view and look at a lot, and vote and comment a lot. When it all blows up if it does, I hope there is a Phoenix that rises from the ashes.
I wanna help Justin lose all his money. Hopefully this market blood bath has kicked him, Roy and the his entire family square in the nutz. Justin dosent deserve Steemit.
Same. Dude is treating our blockchain / community like a toy that needs to earn his attention.
Fts our blockchain is "The Real Buzz Lightyear" and it's not because of a few slick coders. It's because of the people here, a people that Justin does not seem to be capable of relating.
I would jump for joy if suddenly he starting singing a different tune but rn he seems to be focusing on trying to save face.
I suppose that is what one could expect from a cold, calculating businessman but he sure as shit calculating wrong about us.
I don't mind being a squeaky wheel. Brats kissin his ass any day of the week..
Thanks for the vote brotha! 💪
I'm leaning more and more toward supporting a fork... Although I'm sure I haven't thought of all the ramifications. In under a month, this loathsome crypto cancer has centralized the blockchain of free speech.
Thanks, Ned! (Burn in hell!)
Yesterday I suggested getting the exchanges to vote in the original witnesses that they illegally toppled — that would be completely fair, but I don't see that as likely... Damn... This truly is a criminal, authoritarian takeover and Justin Scum doesn't have the balls to admit it... Just a multimillionaire pretty-boy sociopath who won't own up to his sick and evil ways.
I think you're a lot more worried than the average Steemian. A lot of us have already accepted that we'll have to fork away from Steemit (or let steemit fork away from the community), and the duplicated stake that steemit held can finally be used to fund the ecosystem. I get that this task is immensely difficult, but It's probably the only way Steem survives and lops off the cancer that is Justin Sun and Steemit Inc.
If a sister fork happened, the Steemit Inc stake wouldn't be used, it would result in the same situation we are in now.
I've already shared my thoughts elsewhere and believe the community needs to move past the stake and let it go, but it seems a lot people people are caught in a monkey trap and can't let go of the stake or find alternatives. If you say its not possible to repurpose the stake on a forked chain, oh well then i guess people will have no choice but to let it go.
You can repurpose it, but it would be counter productive. Only by eliminating it completely and using the SPS could we build something that will inspire investors.
The big stakeholders, witnesses, dApp developers, steem front-end services need to stand together as one. Put differences aside and make a decisive move towards a new era in Steem. Bring something to the comunity and move the whole thing to a off Tron amd co's chain, and back onto a community chain. Leave them their tokens with no other way tonuse it than through steemit.com. and fork everyone who is supporting the takeover amd deadlock out.
It looks like a Steem liberation movement is required, and needs to be done sooner rather than later.
Those who move will need to power down and burn their Steem stake to be active in the new chain.
The longer we all just sit and talk, the less time we have to move.
When people no longer wish to discuss "While many of us have tried to communicate, Eli, Roy, and Justin have made it clear they have no desire to." nothing more will happen, they will run this down to nothing and write it off as a bad investment.
Tend to agree with you @bmj time is now to move, neither side committing to progress after a month.
Let's see if I have that right ... leave this dictatorship of Tron to go to another dictatorship that demands the right to decide where I can hold stake? Gee what could possibly go wrong with that?
Not at all one ductatorship to another. They would have to change the governance (witness voting model) to be more distributed, and make it worth everyone moving to.
It can be done.... but it requires everyone to pull together to beat this deadlock.
if the new one dictates where people can hold stake .. it is a dictatorship ... doesn't matter how wonderful the distribution if is my freedom of choice is infringed
The point is, to effect the change, and take a stand against the current sitution, we need to move as one. We don't want a "sister" token, we want to move, or swap over to the new chain with better protections against a one-man supermajority. Part of the process would be the burning of the old account tokens to acquire the new. The idea is to make the new token the mainstream token by purging as much of the old token as possible... basically burning the house down on the way out... and exchanging one chain for the other. You can start back up on tronsteem with zero later if you want, noone will stop you.
good luck with your theory. Gonna be surprised if many will be interested in having choice removed from the equation. You can start back on one after compliance on the other is still dictatorship. Replacing one tyranny for another doesn't cut it.
What part of this gives you the idea of it being a dictatorship or tyranny?
"Move as one"
"Protections against a one-man supermajority"
The choice here is to unite, design and decide on new set of governance standards together, and move on. Or, we all sit back, do nothing, and hope for the best possible worst case scenario.
At the very least it may just force the hand of the swing voting proxy.token community to pick a side and end the deadlock.
While the price is in the toilet, it me be an opportune time to make a break.
Like I said.. wish you luck with your concept.
I will be far more inclined to follow the concepts reflected in @ats-david's post that entails free choice of being on either chain and letting preference and the markets decide which chain ends up with my attention. Or both if I feel like it without having to give up stake on one to satisfy the dictates of the other. That is freedom not tyranny.
That is quite alarming. Makes you wonder what other “special for us only” account permissions and features they will push over time when they start going down that route.
It has always seemed to me that Steem has been the 'anti George Orwell' in it's corner of the world. But reading your post made me think of this:
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
Then this one came to mind. "We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it."
Ugggghhhh. Keep fighting. It's now all there is.
Speaking of equality, I note that witness elections feature Steem tokens that are more equal than others, and always have.
User A has 1M Steem and votes 30 witnesses, influencing governance with 30M Steem (1M x 30 votes). User B has 100 Steem and votes 30 witnesses, influencing governance with 3000 Steem (100 Steem x 30 votes). The difference between their stakes is 999,900 Steem. The difference between their influence on witness elections, and thus governance, is however 29,997,000 Steem.
The more Steem you have, the more each Steem token you have influences governance, and this was coded into Steem by Stinc, who once had ~80% of the Steem in existence, and that Sun now owns. This is why his stake, which is between 1/5 and 1/3 of the stake extant, is able to completely control governance by electing a consensus of witnesses.
We aren't in danger of resembling Orwell's Animal Farm. We've long been on it. This is more like the oligarchy is being replaced by a solitary overlord. The community is just an asset.
Our Steem in it's dribs and drabs, doesn't impact governance much. I reckon the legacy Steem whales are doing all they can already to prevent their power from being eliminated and Sun having that power instead.
The devil we know vs. the devil we don't. Not sure which is which TBQH.
Edit: it's notable that ordinary votes have always featured VP, which depletes when votes are cast and recharges over time. This has been tested for four years via normal Steem operations, and is well characterized and understood.
Removing the multiplication of stake weight witness elections feature is a simple matter of applying VP to SP used to vote for witnesses, setting the depletion parameter to 100%, and setting recharge to 0%. Then each Steem used to vote on a witness would only apply once. The difference in stake held by User A and User B is 999,900 Steem, and the difference in the weight of their influence on governance would be 999,900 Steem, as DPoS requires for decentralization.
When witnesses and stakeholders address the proposal to implement 1 Steem = 1 vote, I have been struck by the immediate resort to FUD and claims it would require study, questions as to whether other DPoS chains have tried it, and claims the voting system as it is is fair and needs no improvements - even as Sun takes over the chain.
This reveals the degree to which legacy witnesses have been empowered by this extraordinary weighting of substantial stakes to control governance, and how much their power depends on it. The most striking thing about this to me is that these witnesses are so unwilling to address this inequity, they'd rather see Sun takeover the chain than change to 1 Steem = 1 vote.
What I expect to evolve from this situation is that Sun finds those among the current witnesses he can work with, and they become Sun's toadies serving our new overlord.
Another great philosopher (Alvin Toffler) said "There is no revolution, only power changing hands."
I've said before that this is not a new problem, only a new hand on the throttle.