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Haha, I didn't name names and I just meant discord in general as an off chain forum where the real drama lives and breathes.. Nothing at all personal

mhmm. ;) I stand by everything I said and have self -identified.

I never say things I don't want to get called out for.

Regarding these issues:

On their own I am not totally opposed to any of them. A panicky hail mary hoping for the best I am strongly against.

Its a bad idea, too close together without thought or reasoning and will not bring in new users and will likely run off many more of the few users we have left

It feels railroaded and panicked and rushed. It is up to our witnesses to keep the chain safe, I am hoping they will do just that. However, it looks unlikely. A DPOS system is only as good as it's largest stakeholders.

Oh and to Traf good motives to do bad things... That's weak even if you try to distract from it by using the word cunt. Dishonest and underhanded is just that. And yeah there is no need for that kind of language.

Wankers wank.. It's what they do, when they get caught they try to pretend someone else made them wank.

I have more respect for Bernie, at least he does what he does and doesn't make lame excuses.

Agree or disagree, your characterization of this as remotely panicky is way off base. All of the components have been discussed for a year or more (some more like three years) and the package as a whole for several months.

This isn't being done on a sudden or panicked basis, it has been very carefully and very extensively debated and considered, and eventually the dev team and most of the major stakeholders have largely come to a consensus on it.

Pretty much the opposite of panic.

That's an interesting point of view and I fully disagree. Also regarding the dpoll taking consensus, it was out of context.

The code isn't out and I thought you guys couldn't come to consensus until there was code. Make up your mind. Just the other day you said there is nothing to come to consensus on.

"The discussion period is over when someone (generally steemit in practice) creates a credible code release that can either be adopted or not. Its up to them to decide. That could happen 30 seconds from now or 30 days."

^^ Your own words directed at me... Which is it @smooth?

The code isn't out and I thought you guys couldn't come to consensus until there was code

That is true formally. If the code comes out and it sucks, witnesses will reject it regardless of what was informal consensus earlier, and if it is very unpopular, especially with large stakeholders, witnesses who try to approve it will be voted out. Or for that matter, people may simply change their minds.

Informally, there have been discussions for months to years and a rough consensus appears to be in place to move forward with EIP. But ultimately you are correct that we won't know for sure until a specific hard fork candidate is considered for activation on the blockchain and then either is or is not activated.