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I wanted to tell you that I am impressed that you took the time to read my reply to you (in both places) and to respond not only directly but also in a post. Thank you for that.

You are right that it was a poor use of words on my part to say that you won't care. To say that you don't care would apply towards us small users in general from those at the top (as you mentioned was the case by Sneak), but you are right that I should not have assumed that it applied to you. I apologize for making that incorrect assumption about you specifically when I had no basis for it.

Regarding your point about Steemit being just a test platform for STEEM to use in a bigger way later, I think this is something that is news to many. I have heard from people that they "think" this is the case, but I have never had someone be so direct in saying it was so. I respect you for doing so. While you make me wonder what is the purpose of me being here everyday for 6 months and helping to make this a community place, I do definitely respect that you are telling me "the way it is".

As far as expectations of the platform, yes I would agree that many (including me) have wrong expectations. While I am not part of the "get rich" crowd, I did expect that the people at the top try to help make Steemit a place to be for the future. I did expect that the connections, the friendships, the reputation, etc would one day be something that made a difference. But from what I can glean from your answer is it is all meaningless. All these groups and people will be gone from Steemit one day and there will be totally new platforms for everyone to branch out to join and hopefully one day make new sets of friends, connections, and build their own reputations.

No wonder people think that @fulltimegeek is wasting his time fighting haejin, he's fighting for something that isn't relevant to the future. Who cares what your Steemit Reputation rating is if Steemit is only a short term step and meant to be cannibalized by future competitors as the Steem blockchain develops? @fulltimegeek should just make lots of money and be like everyone else as this is all just a test.

I recognize that you are not the one that has devised this plan, but it makes a lot of sense now that I see the actions of Steemit and the top witnesses. I frankly don't know what to say about the plan. Yes it makes sense to not care about your first one or two million users; if the only thing you view those people as lab-rats performing a test. It would've been nice of them to ask us to be those lab-rats. I don't know if I would've spent every day of the last 6 months trying to be a part of a community, if I would've known this place didn't matter for anything more than a reference implementation.

It's a reference implementation of what's possible on the STEEM blockchain. It's not the primary forcus of Steemit, inc.

My issues are no longer with you or with any of the people that run Steemit (witnesses, whales, or employees). You have told me that I don't matter in their eyes, and that this is simply an experiment that is meant to make STEEM great in the future so they can have a more valuable underlying currency and blockchain so they can really grow their wealth even further. I get the way that this helps them, and if I was a top 20 witness or a large holder of STEEM maybe my thinking would be different.

But I'm not. My friends are not.

We are just people trying to build a community for a place that doesn't even really care if it exists. We didn't sign up to be lab-rats in an experiment and frankly I didn't even know that's what we were.

Now I do.

Thank you very much for the honesty @lukestokes. I appreciate very much that you took the time and energy to tell me the truth. Like you with Sneak, I am not happy at all about it. But I will tell you that I respect that you are the first one to tell me directly this is the case.

I have recently referenced witnesses that I strongly support and would like their opinion on this. I know that this is political and they might not want to agree or disagree in public. But since I believe they are fighting to make this community stronger, I would like to ask them why?

If you can respond, could you? (@steemcommunity -@abh12345 @paulag) @danielsaori @yabapmatt @steemgigs (@surpassinggoogle) @jackmiller @curie @qurator (@scrooger)

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I don't know if I would've spent every day of the last 6 months trying to be a part of a community, if I would've known this place didn't matter for anything more than a reference implementation.

The relationships that you build here do not go away, just because the platform evolves and supports a larger ecosystem and more applications. I would not consider the time you spend now building relationships with members of the community, growing your stake of SP, and learning about how the platform works a waste of time.

Exactly.

Thanks for the answer @timcliff... I have some questions about your point though. 1) how will the reputations be portable to any new platform, it seems like those are something that are based on only steemit rules? 2a) are things done on the other platforms (like say spam posting if they choose to openly allow it on their platform) flagable from steemit? 2b) are they taking rewards from the same reward pool and wouldn't we still be affected by these other platforms?

The reason I ask these questions is to understand how these relationships and reputations will translate across multiple platforms.

The reputations, rewards, and transactions all occur on the Steem blockchain. Steemit.com is just a front-end website that interfaces with the blockchain. If you go to busy.org/@davemccoy - you will see all your same content posted there. Anything you post on DTube will show up on steemit.com too. It's actually pretty cool once you start to understand how everything is working under the hood :)

Thanks for the info @timcliff!... I appreciate it... still not sure how they can set different rules from steemit if that is the case, but for now I'm happy to know that the reputations will port there too!

You are misunderstanding @davemccoy point I think. While those stats are available on the blockchain they will not be carried over to different SMTS which will have their own values if I am not mistaken. Should Busy.org migrate to using an SMT rather than Steem itself then the reputation will not carry over and Steemit has little to no value. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The same would apply to the tokenization of the internet. Can you imagine any SMT that would like to import reputation levels from a different platform? The whole point of SMT's is to have your own unique reputation on your own unique platform.

EDIT: Change platform to whatever term you like, it's late and my brain is broken ^^

I am interested in which of you is right on this @gnimeets... To me it makes a huge difference. Everything that is happening on steemit right now will basically be worthless (except for the people you actually get to know)... But even then it will be like starting over, and if everyone dispurses, then it will be a huge waste of our time.

From what @timcliff is saying that isn't going to be the case, but you are bringing up what intuitively came to my mind @gnimeets. Thanks for adding to the conversation and maybe Tim can clarify it to both of us!

It is a little bit of both. The STEEM currency will still remain the primary currency of the Steem blockchain, and every post that is eligible for SMTs will also be eligible for STEEM. SMTs are in addition; they are not in replacement.

good post ,,, can you share my experience with me

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Integrity, relationships, meeting people from all over the world. Growing! Enjoying many paradigm shifts! I am appreciating the open, honest, discussions! Lots of respect guys 🙌
Even more love, and hope we are bringing about the change we want to see in the world. One step at a time! I hope my hand is all shaky and I am an old lady with many a fine story to share long into the future with all of you 🌸🙏🌸

Thank you @yogajill! And always happy to see your bright and positive attitude. You really do brighten up the place every time you show up ;)

You're welcome! Likewise Dave 🍉🥕🍊 Thanks so much for DustSweeper too eh!!
It's awesome 🍎

awww... thank you Jill, its a good way to end my day! :)

Beautifully said, thank you. :)

Thanks for replying respectfully.

I'm a programmer for more than 20 years, so I sometimes use jargon like "reference implementation" which I should probably explain. I do not mean Steemit is "just a test platform." A reference implementation can take many forms. The main bitcoin QT wallet, as an example, is also a reference implementation of how to interact with the Bitcoin protocol. Steemit is an example of what's possible on STEEM and it's doing a fairly good job of it, based on Alexa ratings, but as you've said, it's struggling lately.

That's a really good question you asked. Why are you here? I think everyone should ask themselves this. Some never do and wonder why they are so frustrated with things because they've never stopped to analyze their own motivations and goals.

What I can glean from your answer is it is all meaningless.

I strongly disagree. Please read this post and the three posts I reference there (especially the one on relationships): #SteemitIsToMe: Relationships, Reputation, and Rewards.

Everything done on the STEEM blockchain is available to every platform on the STEEM blockchain. I could be replying from Busy.org or my local computer or who knows what. It's not about Steemit. It's about the blockchain and the opportunities it creates for us all. Those relationships will still be there, even if fewer people use the Steemit.com interface to view the STEEM blockchain content and instead use a different interface.

I don't think this is all just a test and I do strongly disagree with wealth extraction (see my post I referenced about that).

I don't agree with treating anyone like a lab rat. Scroll through a few months of my posts and see how many meaningful comments I get. I've built some very meaningful relationships here that are very valuable to me, and I've had many people tell me how much I've helped and encouraged them.

So again, you asked a good question: What are you here? Is it to build community or something else? If it's community, did you succeed in that goal? Do you have people who you enjoy engaging with and have you built real relationships?

I think it's overly pessimistic to think, as an early adopter, you're a "lab rat." Not at all. We are pioneers. Frankly, lots of people have a massive sense of entitlement and it's kind of annoying.

We can do better.

Know why you are here. Be here for that. If Steemit, Busy, STEEM or whatever isn't what you expect it to be, then talk about it like you are doing here. Let's work together to improve things. We aren't lab rats. We're the early adopters who get to tell future Steemians "Back in my day..."

Again thank you for the reply and the honesty. I do completely agree with you 100% on this point:

Let's work together to improve things. We aren't lab rats. We're the early adopters who get to tell future Steemians "Back in my day..."

I'm ready and I'm sure there are many many here that would love to work with you to improve things... I know the witnesses on my list would be happy to work with you to make improvement. I speak frequently with @abh12345 @danielsaori and somewhat frequently with @yabapmatt @jackmiller and @paulag. I know all 5 of those individual witnesses would love to improve things, so if dealing with many small guys takes too much time, then I know you can get some good ideas and work with them!

And I am always reachable on discord at davemccoy#2479 (if you care to talk to me directly!)

Again thank you for engaging honestly and glad we are having this discussion!

I'm glad we are also. Thanks for caring so much about STEEM and Steemit. :)

This kind of constructive discussion simply doesn't happen on Twitter, Reddit, Facebook or any other platform. How often do we see a post starting out with a very critical tone, ultimately finding common ground and ending up in collaboration in the comment section. The open mindset and willingness to learn with the Steem adopters really make this platform worthwhile.

What matters is NOT the economy, it's the people!

Well said! It's amazing what happens when things are on chain and there are motivational incentives (reputation, financial, influential, etc) to remain respectful, even there are disagreements.

based on Alexa ratings, but as you've said, it's struggling lately.

Keep in mind that a lot of traffic has moved lately to other Steem based platforms like DLive, DMania, DTube and a lot of other platforms.

I don't know if Alexa ratings are still relevant for the success of Steem, anymore :)

👆 This is true. I have done the research on a dozen domains as part of my project.

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