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RE: Open Letter to Ned and Dan: You Badly Need a Communications/Community/Content Expert and I Hereby Nominate @stellabelle or @donkeypong For That Job
There's only 1 proper solution to this; a hard fork to reduce all accounts above 100k SP to ... 100k SP
That way the whales will no longer be able to skew the results as they do now, and the votes of the dolphin will actually mean something ... as it should
(as in; I agree; inactive whales are in fact better than active whales ... let's turn them all into dolphins; problem solved!)
so, and by now, I wrote a post about it;
https://steemit.com/tag/@luminousvisions/safe-steemit-1-day-voting-moratorium-for-the-whales
@dantheman ... you just downvoted my comment?
what is that all about? what's wrong with it?
I'm just suggestion a solution and in return for offering my help ... you downvote me?!?
look at what I've been up to;
little baby dolphin
I'm already working on a solution!
I'm going to have to say that I too do not understand why your post was downvoted. You have no vulgar language, you have not said anything offensive, only offered forth your idea. You should not have been downvoted. That is absurd, actually.
I know exactly why my comment was downvotes; dandy dan is scared!
this article calls for somebody to step up and take over ... I'm that person!
This while there's no need to actually reduce any of the whales steem power, they just need to stop voting ... but catchy slogans pull more attention than rational explanations ;-)
think about it ... imagine that for the next 100 days anybody with more than 100k steem power would vote at max 1% vote power, so they still get to play, but without skewing the results ... what would happen? the votes of the dolphins with 1k to 100k would go up ... significantly, enough so to fix the problem!
so, although I might have said it somewhat crue at first ... the principle behind it, would in fact solve the problem
yet ... dandy dan downvoted it ... no wonder we have a problem ...
How can you be so stupid?????
Strong independent woman?
I'll play devils advocate here.
First off... your post was written big and bold, simply stating that "there's only one proper solution". That's not true, and there's no way you could possibly prove it's true. I believe there absolutely has to be a better "proper" solution than that.
The argument could be made that what you said could be damaging to the brand. Do you think an investor who's considering buying steem would want to see a comment stating that the community is gathering pitchforks demanding hardforks to remove peoples balances? They would just walk away.
Again, I'm not saying I agree w/ the downvote, but I don't think it's completely unwarranted.
I'm an investor, I already bought Steem!
and I'm actively working on a solutions, I did this;
https://steemit.com/bounty/@luminousvisions/there-s-no-flow-in-steemit-bounty-opportunity
and just last night I did this;
https://steemit.com/steemit/@luminousvisions/little-baby-dolphin-goes-to-steemit-school
so, if dandy dan would have taken the effort to see who I am first, he would have known I did this for steemit's best self interest!
the biggest problem with steemit is perception, and comments like mine being downvoted by dandy dan himself is the exact opposite of what we need
take a look here;
https://steemle.com/charts.php?charts=posts
it's going down ... why is that? is it because I used bold in my comment or because there's something fundamentally going wrong with steemit itself? I'm willing to bet it's not me using bold in the comments that's causing steemit's crash ...
don't worry, I'm not mad, I understand you're playing devil's advocate ... I'm just making my case, nothing personal ... I'm not like dandy dan ... I will not downvote your comment, but simply answer it ... you know, like grown up's do ...
so ... now I'm going to work on the post I'm writing about all this ...
I'm an investor; I'm defending my investment, while dandy dan is squandering it!
Totally understood :)
We're all looking out for the best interest of steem in our different ways. Hopefully all of our votes and conversations will culminate in a proper solution.
As a potential investor, which I have talked about many times, I find the fact he/she was downvoted, on this "Freedom Loving" platform, much more upsetting than her comment.
I don't know that I buy into this argument against downvotes. Are you saying that Dan shouldn't be free to downvote what he disagree's with?
Your comment loudly asserts a bad idea. Maybe he thought that would be obvious.
I agree it was a bad idea, and I'd say the same even if I were a minnow. I disagree it should have been downvoted.
think about it ... if we didn't eliminate those accounts, but the whales were to agree with each other to stop voting at 100%, but vote at max 1% for the next 100 days ... which would have the same effect ...
what would happen?
the dolphin will get a lot more voting power!
which would actually solve the problem and there would be no more need for projects like the robinhoodwhale, because 20-30 dolphins voting for the same post would result in that post making enough money rather than just pennies, as it is now, because ... the whales are consuming way too much voting power; it's skewing the results!
I know, I said it very crue ... to get attention, (and it worked!)
but the idea behind it; no more whale votes ... that would actually solve the problem!
be it, not by actually eliminating them, but by convincing them that they have to stop skewing the result by consuming way too much voting power ...
so, what I'm actually suggestion and writing a post about right now; 100 days moratorium on the whales votes; they can still vote at 1%, just so they get to play like everybody else, but no more than 1%, because now ... the whales are skewing the results!
and thanks for upvoting my comment, I really appreciate that!
here's the post;
https://steemit.com/tag/@luminousvisions/safe-steemit-1-day-voting-moratorium-for-the-whales
or ... it's in fact a good idea, be it poorly presented, but no matter what it is ... it's not a reason to downvote me!
It was horrible comment. You basically proposed that the blockchain should steal from the users. As you probably know, @dantheman is libertarian who hates theft, so it's not a surprise that he downvoted you.
@samupaha
You said:
But why do we have to put words into his (Dan's) mouth to justify his actions? This lack of communication is likely a factor in the failing confidence within, and falling price of, Steemit/ Steem, as the original poster (@steemship) has so clearly demonstrated.
We need an open discussion about this most important topic of how to more evenly distribute voting power, and/or if such an action is necessary, if for no other reason than to quiet some of the fears regarding apparent weaknesses of the Steemit system, which have only become more pronounced over time and amplified by the lack of clear communication, from the top, about possible solutions.
Silence isn't the answer here, nor is stubbornness. Trust is built through transparency and by consistently demonstrating that care is taken to the considerations of all involved/ invested. The block-chain that runs Steem is one layer of transparency, but the more more important layer - the people who control the hard-forks - are not forth-coming with any kind of clear plan, nor demonstrating to me in any way that they have any care beyond their own wallets.
If you ask me, Dan's recent actions - the proposed hard-fork, with seemingly little concern for the generally bad review that it received from the community and his childish/ cowardly/ unprofessional way of dealing with constructive criticism/ alternate approaches - reeks of your typical penny-stock CEOs. It appears to me that every decision coming from the top is aimed at protecting themselves, even at the cost of strangling the smaller investors. But maybe it only appears that way because they've failed to accurately communicate their intentions. Ideally, we wouldn't have to speculate about such things, especially when considering that these "policy makers" are running a social media network. Oh, the irony.
hahaha ... really?
you totally missed the point I was making; it would be better of those whales were to stop voting, but ... because nobody upvotes interesting comments, I turned it into a sensational slogan and ... it worked!
This is how I see Dan's down vote as well. Look at it from his perspective: he is just curating to mold the platform into something that represents his principles. That's what we should ALL be doing.
Arbitrarily restricting the voting power of whales IS theft, it's not like theft. They earned that SP either through investing, for being here early or curating. Why take away their incentives? Aren't they the same incentives for everybody? Your comment (if implemented) guts the principles described in the whitepaper, or at the very least disrupts and imbalances them.
I like this article, it is open, direct and sounds similar to discussions I've heard in the BitShares community. I know transparency is important to Dan, but I agree he hasn't figured out how to balance the interests of all parties (investors, developers, user community) yet, and I do hope he figures it out soon; I don't want steem to fade away b/c he or Ned can't delegate to a PR team to inform the community or use it to monitor the pulse of the community.
An advisory board comprised of reputable, carefully chosen members of the community would be very useful for communications in both directions, from the community to Steemit leaders AND as a mechanism to explain the rational of decisions made by Steemit to the community.
I sure hope Dan & Ned seriously take some time to reflect on this open letter and the comments people are making about it. I think some type of advisory board is a good idea. I suspect Ned & Dan may think that somehow gives away too much control of the direction the platform is headed. But that is an overly fearful position to take IMO. The concept is an advisory board, meaning it provides advice, not dictate policy. Such a board is not a matter of control, it's a matter of a better management structure to supply quality information to decision makers, who are not obligated to follow it. If they choose not to follow it I would hope their rational would be explained. That's very important also.
In early 2015 a marketing advisory board was suggested to help Dan promote BitShares more effectively and help him review and edit Dan's disclosures so they wouldn't have such a sharp, dramatic affect on investor attitudes OR the trading value of BitShares. Stan + Dan's approach to that suggestion was to put the responsibility of selecting such a board of advisors onto someone else, rather than seriously look into who would be qualified to serve in that role themselves. Ultimately no action was taken.
Do note however that unbeknown to the vast majority of the BitShares community during that time, the totally new graphene architecture was under development, and they didn't want that information leaking out. An advisory board might have compromised that. Still, the transition from the 0.9.x version to 2.0 was not handled well at all IMO, tho ultimately 2.0 did become a reality, or steem wouldn't exist today.
I sincerely hope Dan will learn how to manage his team better and balance the often contrary interests between the parties involved.
sure, some commie council ... that will fix it ... sure!
/sarcasm
As a Libertarian, I think that is extremely lame, instead of downvoting the comment he could have taken 2 minutes and typed his POV. In this platform that is silencing. He can't take the time to tell her why?
Before your suggestion below that they stop voting let's try a day or week of whale abstinence. This will give us a preview of what the platform wild look like
see here a day of abstinence will answer the question
very, very very good idea!
https://steemit.com/tag/@luminousvisions/safe-steemit-1-day-voting-moratorium-for-the-whales
Upvoted only because it was downvoted. This is a bad idea that should be discarded for many reasons, but as input from a community member, it should be valued and considered respectfully, even if not ever implemented.
Good point, sadly it's now overvalued (in my own opinion). It really makes me want to downvote it but then it will (or might?) have an effect on his reputation. If only there were a solution for this conundrum.
Oh yeah, https://github.com/steemit/steemit.com/issues/215
I tried to reduce my power setting on that vote to get closer to zero (but still positive) but I ran into an issue I have intermittently where the site stops responding to my votes altogether, so I left it. What a pain.
Great you just made more $ in these two comment than in any of your posts. I call progressiveness.
and people wonder why I use bold text in my comments ...
What a ridiculous idea...I'm actually glad to see that Dan agrees...
you're not supposed to take it literally ... it's called click-bait, that should be obvious
I'm just trying to make a point; if the whales were to stop voting, or at least put their slider on 10% and leave it there ... that would solve a lot of problems!
https://steemit.com/tag/@luminousvisions/safe-steemit-1-day-voting-moratorium-for-the-whales
please, read it, I promise, you'll be pleasantly surprised with it; it's a very simply, yet effective solution
https://steemit.com/steemit/@whatsup/fighting-over-that-big-steemy-piece-of-pie-while-the-new-users-and-steem-prices-die
Nice to see your communication skills. Nah, you don't need any help with that.
I don't think that's the one proper solution. Why not change the voting weight from n SQUARED to something less severe. E.g. n to the 1.1 power. It still discourages sybil attacks but makes every non-whale's votes more powerful while reducing the massively overweighted n^2 power of large whale votes.