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RE: Steemit Update: HF21 Testnet, SPS, EIP, Rewards API, SMTs!
Exactly, those cheating authors using those cheating bid-bots cheated the steem economic model.
Exactly, those cheating authors using those cheating bid-bots cheated the steem economic model.
Everyone knows: When you cheat, you win, and everyone respects you for it.
That is true far more often than it should be.
Everyone knows:
In retail: It's best to embrace the shoplifters and kick out the consumers. That's how you make money.
In videogames: You don't patch the exploits. Allows consumers to complain and hope they stop playing the game. That's how you make money.
Everyone knows this.
I know you are being sarcastic but your original comment is really true. Look at Trevon James. Doesn’t matter how much he pushed the ponzi BitConnect (and even created a Steem Engine token to push BitConnect 2.0) even thou people lost millions and it is under a current lawsuit. As long as he can give votes or the chance of giving something of value people will forget and worship him.
All of those people deserve to get scammed, if getting scammed is what they're into. Much like how so many here deserve to lose out on billions. That's what they want. Plagiarist still has 10x more rewards next to his post than I do with my previous post. I have no right to be frustrated with that. There's no reason for me to leave. Those other folks who left, thousands of them, good quality people, who cares about them. We need more scammers and corner cutters because those are the people who can build a strong foundation. Just look at the place. Two years of this and still going strong!
this guy was caught stealing STEEM from users !!!
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You r a piece if trash butch!
Look at poor little @coininstant being trolled like the bitch he is by an automated bot. Jump monkey, jump!! Good boy.
That's why we need a downvote pool.
We have downvotes. Was it my job the other day to downvote that plagiarist you promoted or was it your job to be responsible and not promote a plagiarist?
As soon as we got the report, the account was blacklisted, but we can't blacklist what we don't know. Which is why it's so important that bad actors are being blacklisted as soon as possible.
However, this only works with services like Smartsteem (& buildawhale for example), that are actually blacklisting bad actors. For the rest, downvotes are needed. Because the accounts that are buying votes on their shit content and are receiving downvotes thus losing money, will learn from it; and the bid-bots that are voting on it, will realize that they're losing money by upvoting shit.
Could I ask what you will do if all posts with vote-purchases start being down-voted after HF21? Will it be a case of accepting this as the new normal and moving on to a new dev project, or will you look to continue, perhaps by some change in the way the business operates?
There's been a lot of talk about how the EIP will affect vote-selling, particularly around high-trending posts, but I've seen relatively little from vote sellers themselves. I would be really interested to hear how vote-selling services expect HF21 to pan out.
I think this is what some people get wrong. Smartsteem is not what I'm building my future on. It's a solid business model, and it most def. needs some remodelling after/before HF21, but I'm far more interested in Steem succeeding. Which is why we need the downvote pool, as I'm not able to influence anything else directly in the bid-bot/promotion sector besides my own project.
It will need re-modelling and whitelists/blacklists will become more important than ever, but I'm not able to predict what exactly will happen. Maybe people will start to flag everyone who uses promotion services. Or maybe they'll realize that people using it in moderation on good content is actually acceptable and valuable. However, I'm quite sure that bad content will be far less profitable to make money with.
Thanks. Interesting!
I asked you, with the question being directed to the Smartsteem account, if the money the plagiarist spent had been refunded. You/SmartSteem did not respond. I'm asking again. Was the money refunded?
If the money was not refunded, that means your business made more money promoting plagiarism than I did (and many others) who produced content today.
Just because someone loses money due to downvotes, that does not mean there's no money to be made in upvoting shit.
Nobody deserves to make money through plagiarism directly, or indirectly and that includes you.
No. Everybody who uses Smartsteem's services is accepting the Terms of Service, which includes a section about abuse.
No. Smartsteem didn't make anything, it actually lost money/revenue. 100% of liquid rewards are being distributed among delegations and the curation rewards were lost due to the unvote.
Correct. But it depends of course how exactly the plagiarism was used - was it quoted as part of a blog post; or was it blatant plagiarism.
So it's set up in a way where investors would have to take the fall.
That's concerning because if someone were to promote a ponzi, your investors get thrown under the bus.
Plagiarism is plagiarism. Fair use is fair use. There are laws in place that define these things. That incident I'm talking about was plagiarism, you agreed. It's illegal to make money in that fashion.
Anyway, I won't take up any more of your time today.
You have yourself a good day and let's see where these future changes take us. Hopefully to a better place. There's something we can both agree on.
No. Delegators were already paid out. There are some cases, where refunds had to be made, but that was usually being done by Smartsteem taking the loss.
Yes. Have yourself a great day too!
Okay. Thanks for clearing that up. Later!
MinnowBooster also utilises a blacklist.
The blacklist is fine and dandy but I'd prefer to see something a little more proactive rather than reactive. The plaigiarist will pout about losing money and getting caught, move some tokens around, and do it all over again. Blacklisting seems like a waste of resources and that time, energy and money spent could go to a more proactive approach. It's not hard to predict abuse, and we have proof of abuse over the span of years, and many have been calling for a stop to it, for years. The blacklist has been around almost the entire time this disaster of selling votes started. There's no good reason to hand over easy money to scumbags and leeches while forcing thousands of good people to sit back and watch it destroy the place, before they leave.
QFT.
Its nice that some of the bid bots and vote sellers have blacklists but it was never a good solution, just better than nothing maybe.
Why fix the roof when one can simply place a bucket on the floor...
The problem came in when bidbots became open sourced, when there were one or two fine, they were structured and had business models, now every anonymous dog and his auntie runs a bidbot, so things are a bit crazy. However I have been on Steem since June 2016 and one thing I know is that having the freedom to boost ones' own posts is way more dignifying than having to beg and lick the you know whats of the whales who held all of the voting power, I think that was subhuman, vote bots are just like every other promotional aspect in life, paying for ads and higher rank on traditional media, getting yourself visible.
Before vote bots a small group of people were getting all the rewards and benefit, with bots it is more widely distributed. It isn't ideal but I for one am happy I can just send some Steem and get some visibility on my post and not dm a few buddies to see if they will help me out in exchange for some witness votes or having to vote them back later.
MinnowBooster is now a less supported bot in terms of delegation, but it supports a whole team of people as can be seen on https://buildteam.io and has helped give rise to projects like @tokenbb and to take over the @ginabot project and keep it running.
Proactive is hard, Ai could be an answer, have it recognise what an abuse post looks like and deny it an upvote, but the issue is there are so many bidbots that if one service blocks them they can go to another. We do have a community whitelist on MinnowBooster that can help as a proactive measure to ensure the larger votes only go to whitelisted authors.
I've been producing content here since September 2016; never kissed ass for a vote, never used a bid bot, never made any kind of deal with anyone, for anything. I earned everything in my goddamn wallet. Glance at my blog, look at the engagement, compare that to the majority. It might look kinda silly on the surface but trust me, I know what I'm doing.
Why not just flag my material if you're the individual who feels the need to push it down into oblivion with paid votes? Same damn thing. I've taken a huge hit since bidbots.
If I had my artwork behind the windows of my shop, and someone came along to plaster posters and ads of their work on the outside of my windows so people couldn't see in, I'd be pissed. You think that behavior here is dignifying? Force me to pay someone else so they earn more from my work than I do?!
I got a fence, it needs painting. You're the painter. In order to earn money you must first give me $100, then paint my fence, then I'll give you $101. That makes sense to you, okay, but I somehow magically made $100 because you painted my fence.
Yeah, okay, I get it. Someone never had talent. Couldn't do a damn thing right to get noticed so they had to find little tricks here and there to get paid. Meanwhile, because of that selfish behavior, the true talent around here had to leave because typically, in the entertainment industry, those with talent can earn simply by being talented. Once they left, so did the potential billions the entertainment industry is known to generate, annually. All that loss just so a few people with no skills in this industry could get noticed. All that loss just to cater to the lowest quality performers and place them above the highest quality performers.
If you're running a network on television, you place the best programs expected to receive the highest ratings in the prime time slots, and you sell the late night slots. Here, because of bidbots, the late night paid programming nobody watches sits in the prime time slots while the best content is placed in the worst slots, forcing the best content to receive low ratings. We can't all be expected to purchase votes and shoot for those slots high on the trending page because the moment everyone does it is the same moment $200 worth of rewards becomes the new $0 and everyone is right back where they started.
Dude, don't get me started on this. It's great you've been able to fund projects and all that but anyone with tokens would be able to fund one hell of a lot more projects once they stop sabotaging the potential of the entertainment industry. I'm using the term entertainment loosely. Anything that grabs someones attention, regardless of what it is, is worth billions, and that is being thrown in the trash here so a few individuals can run tiny little businesses.
This is something that most people here don't understand, especially the interface owners. The fact that we have top witnesses who consistently fail to grasp basic economics and fundamental social media (or normal human) behavior, and proceed to sabotage the very chain and their "investments" at every opportunity, is very troubling. I can understand not grasping one or the other, but we have far too many that comprehend neither...and it quite obviously shows.
The person you're talking to - Ricardo, "thecryptodrive" - has done nothing but suck whale dick for three years and use various vote and delegation scheming to essentially self-vote his "company" posts for 2.5 years. (It should be noted that his "businesses" are just vote-selling and delegation-renting services...so not real businesses at all.) And whenever he gets a chance to milk more rewards for his "marketing" projects, he tries to market Steem with...get this...
Billboards!
lulz
Talk about someone who's completely out of touch and has no clue about entertainment or what it takes to successfully manage and market social media/entertainment...
Of course he's going to play up bid bots and how useful they can be. He doesn't care about the perception of Steem or its interfaces. He makes easy money doing nothing. He doesn't even code or manage his own witness node. He bought Steemvoter from someone else (by begging for whale votes on his multiple begging posts to cover the costs), he took Jesta's chainbb code and just renamed it "Tokenbb," and the one project that he promised to develop back in 2016 after getting tons of whale support and money (SteemSports) was basically dead by early 2017.
This is your typical top-20 witness, sadly. And we wonder why shit is so bad around here.
I would say you are an exception though, most users would never get any votes on their posts, or be discovered. You must have at least made some friends and done some sort of networking within the community. No way you would get consistently $5 per post and being a total recluse and not engaging with anyone.
^this 100% this
Yeah but this no unvote bullshit is a huge part of the problem. Oh, but apparently curation rewards trumps doing the right thing and NOT promoting shitbirds posting diarrhea. Ffs
Oh, and !dramatoken
P.S. noticed I got notified on Steem.chat but haven't logged into that shit for weeks. I'll check it now and try to coordinate some flags on it.
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Also, you can always report any plagiarism to steemcleaners and they can downvote it if you don't want to waste your voting power/risk retaliation.
You don't think we know that already?
The problem is it's not enough on a heavily bid post.
If you were not self-voting this and the next xomments, you would be in the negative...which would show what others really think of you. So why is it honest of you, but not honest of those of us who pay you to sell us votes?
Are you taking this position so as to protect your investment? I'm not saying you shoulld not...just wondering...
@themarkymark is #1 when it comes to faking things and number of bid-bots the one is running
grabs some popcorn
popsicle ?
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