One of my biggest problems is when an account posts the same comment "Followed and Upvoted", on countless posts, but when you look at each of the posts, you don't see the upvote, and you don't see the follow.
These are the users who I want to seriously punish. Because I'm finding that so many new users are falling for this "trick" and upvoting the Spam comment, and actually following this Spammer!
We need to band together and be more aware of those who are commenting and voting on our posts. I know that it's exciting to see a comment, and someone praising your content. But.. BE SURE THAT IT'S TRUTHFUL!
Advocating "Flags" is one thing, but I think the most important thing we need to advocate is Self-Awareness of your own content and those who are visiting your content.
If everyone managed their own blog/comments as intently as they focused on earning rewards, Steemit would be a much more Original and Spam-Free Place!
I'm an example , I mistake doing this error that I think 99% are doing , and thanks to @rok-sivante all of us must understand the STEEMIT rule : BE ORIGINAL ,don't SCAM , post QUALITY posts , and all of us we'll be a big special community : a STEEMIT COMMUNITY :)
Hahaha I've seen that all too many times on here. I notice that you have a killer reputation, and I assume that's why they were dropped so low with your flag. Each point up is 10x more upvotes than the last reputation score.
As the case with this story, the kid was quick to humbly his acknowledge his error and change course, respectfully. Thus, deserving of leniency. I wouldn't want to hit him that hard, when he recognized he was out of line and communicates that he is committed to righting his wrongs.
Though for other cases, where it's not even clear whether there is a real, conscious, intelligent human behind the account - that it's more likely run by a bot dishing out straight bullshit, than yeah, time to lay the heavy hand because it's outright abuse and there's no way of arguing it.
Discernment is essential to assess what's appropriate in each individual case.
I second that. So the question is.. Are these clear expectations presented to every newcomer, or are we expecting them to actively seek out "keepers of the code"? Those who do are desirable but what is the (or where is the..) one page that we are all on - from which to express ourselves, share and engage? I guess a rebuttal question might be.. And with what we have to work with.. do we need one?
Mostly the wild west. Community sets it's own norms. You'll get yelled at if you are too far out of mainstream.
But there is a lot of courtesy for extreme wild positions without a lot of yelling, so the community is in general fairly tolerant of all sorts of behaviors and opinions.
Except "raping the rewards pool". LOL. That is always a touchy subject. With no commonly agreed definition,
The kind of "spam" comments you speak of are the very things people do in conversations in real life everyday, and in either case they are annoying.
Someone asks you 'Do you like my dress?' or 'What do you think of...(insert movie, tv show, etc.)' and people say something like "Yeah, it's great." or "It's good." Saying a meaningless "I love you." is the worst. If you haven't shown the person any practical love, it's just like spam that's been sitting in the sun for a week.
People have meaningless "spam" conversations all day long, and nobody gets upset. Don't get me wrong! I am an introvert, one who appreciates the idea that when one speaks, it should always be a meaningful comment
My point is that it seems to be a universal bad habit that we all fall back on sometimes. I don't like it either! Also, one of my personal pet peaves is what I call the "tin-can" post. This is a post that is over 80% self-promoting links and crypto addresses. Maybe it's just me, but that seems even more tacky than a trite, meaningless comment, or a beggar's "upvote me"--the type I hear in everyday conversation--the "white noise".
You are so right that it is important to flag this stuff, even if it sometimes feels weird to do so. The worst case scenario is for a spam commenter to actually profit from doing it - that means Steem rewards are being allocated to spam, which jeopardizes the whole system...
We gotta work together to keep this place moving. Well said.
It felt weird for me too until I realized that there was only so much Steem available and that their spam was hindering my progress as it was taking stuff away from my posts.
I'm grateful to those of you educating new users like myself on this! Steemit takes a desire for community, and i think because of the older users there are many available posts to teach us. In my first few days I left spamy comments like "nice post! Followed." and was able to correct my behavior before I annoyed anyone too much- luckily!
This is a great place, with plenty of incentives to be genuine :)
Your feedback is appreciated. Great to know stuff like this is still serving those newer to the platform.
You might find some gold in this curated piece - a lot of content, though a pretty thorough rundown to help shorten the learning curve and navigate the maze with some fundamental principles to up one'/ game here:
A lot if newbies fall into the 'I've followed you please follow me back' trap without realising this is the dumbest and most annoying thing on Steemit. And then sadly you have the real spammers where many couldn't give a toss. They are the most annoying.
Just out of interest @rok-sivante did you go back to see if that spammer stopped spamming or did he/she move onto others after realising he messed with the wrong guy?
;p i am not a bot just i couldn't stop my self :p well @rok-sivante thank you for this great post i think i can agree with you in some points and disagree in others just one thing some times we should give an excuse for each other because we are all human beings we do a lot of bad stuff with good intentions ;) for a newbie or for some others steemit is place for profit ...but after you spend some time in the steemosphere you will realize that steemit is about giving not taking ...the reward is just something to help you and make you feel comfortable when you spend more than 2h writing a post or 5h editing a picture or more than a week building creating or crafting your soul in this product that some ... just will passe and say "nice followed you follow me "...and this will be appreciated of course if it is not a bot :(
I posted a video last week and the comment was "nice writeup" -_-
We definitely need to do something about this. We don't want newcomers to come here and see this place as spamland. We don't want them to think that it's the right way to be good at Steemit too.
Even if/when comments like that aren't spam - which surely is sometimes the case - it's really not adding much anything of value to the dialogue.
Maybe it's just my personal opinion, but why comment anything at all if it doesn't say something more than such a generic acknowledgement. Why is it a nice writeup? What about it do they like? What did they takeaway from it? Etc...
Perspectives like those might add something worthwhile to a dialogue and enrich the flow within the community...
This is an exemplification of a current problem in society as a whole. The technological revolution has a had a revolutionary effect on the ability of many people to maintain a regular human interaction. The impersonal and detached way that these comments come across is the true tell of their intent. I have zero use and little to no sympathy for anyone doing this as this is proof that they have not even skimmed the content. There is leeway if they are a noob, but within a week of being on the platform, there is no excuse for the level of bullshit comment posts that continue to be made.
Again, thank you for bringing another one of the underlying problems to the surface for us to reflect on and hopefully instigate a change. Without acknowledging there is a problem, it will never be fixed.
One of my biggest problems is when an account posts the same comment "Followed and Upvoted", on countless posts, but when you look at each of the posts, you don't see the upvote, and you don't see the follow.
These are the users who I want to seriously punish. Because I'm finding that so many new users are falling for this "trick" and upvoting the Spam comment, and actually following this Spammer!
We need to band together and be more aware of those who are commenting and voting on our posts. I know that it's exciting to see a comment, and someone praising your content. But.. BE SURE THAT IT'S TRUTHFUL!
Advocating "Flags" is one thing, but I think the most important thing we need to advocate is Self-Awareness of your own content and those who are visiting your content.
If everyone managed their own blog/comments as intently as they focused on earning rewards, Steemit would be a much more Original and Spam-Free Place!
Oh man. Yep. Those types definitely are asked to be flagged into oblivion. No rewards for outright lying.
I'm an example , I mistake doing this error that I think 99% are doing , and thanks to @rok-sivante all of us must understand the STEEMIT rule : BE ORIGINAL ,don't SCAM , post QUALITY posts , and all of us we'll be a big special community : a STEEMIT COMMUNITY :)
Thank you @rok-sivante
Bring value, Bring value, Bring value :)
That's the name of the game. 😎
I'll do the best :)
Nice Post Friend!
Hahaha I've seen that all too many times on here. I notice that you have a killer reputation, and I assume that's why they were dropped so low with your flag. Each point up is 10x more upvotes than the last reputation score.
Also, IMO they deserve it.
It's a tough call sometimes. (Deserving it.)
As the case with this story, the kid was quick to humbly his acknowledge his error and change course, respectfully. Thus, deserving of leniency. I wouldn't want to hit him that hard, when he recognized he was out of line and communicates that he is committed to righting his wrongs.
Though for other cases, where it's not even clear whether there is a real, conscious, intelligent human behind the account - that it's more likely run by a bot dishing out straight bullshit, than yeah, time to lay the heavy hand because it's outright abuse and there's no way of arguing it.
Discernment is essential to assess what's appropriate in each individual case.
I think first what need to do is need to define inappropriate activities in very detail to avoid any unfair situation
I second that. So the question is.. Are these clear expectations presented to every newcomer, or are we expecting them to actively seek out "keepers of the code"? Those who do are desirable but what is the (or where is the..) one page that we are all on - from which to express ourselves, share and engage? I guess a rebuttal question might be.. And with what we have to work with.. do we need one?
Mostly the wild west. Community sets it's own norms. You'll get yelled at if you are too far out of mainstream.
But there is a lot of courtesy for extreme wild positions without a lot of yelling, so the community is in general fairly tolerant of all sorts of behaviors and opinions.
Except "raping the rewards pool". LOL. That is always a touchy subject. With no commonly agreed definition,
The kind of "spam" comments you speak of are the very things people do in conversations in real life everyday, and in either case they are annoying.
Someone asks you 'Do you like my dress?' or 'What do you think of...(insert movie, tv show, etc.)' and people say something like "Yeah, it's great." or "It's good." Saying a meaningless "I love you." is the worst. If you haven't shown the person any practical love, it's just like spam that's been sitting in the sun for a week.
People have meaningless "spam" conversations all day long, and nobody gets upset. Don't get me wrong! I am an introvert, one who appreciates the idea that when one speaks, it should always be a meaningful comment
My point is that it seems to be a universal bad habit that we all fall back on sometimes. I don't like it either! Also, one of my personal pet peaves is what I call the "tin-can" post. This is a post that is over 80% self-promoting links and crypto addresses. Maybe it's just me, but that seems even more tacky than a trite, meaningless comment, or a beggar's "upvote me"--the type I hear in everyday conversation--the "white noise".
I love you, I love you too ... and Your beautiful inside and out. makes me want to puke ... ALL Fakebook sheeple.
Lol. :-D
You are so right that it is important to flag this stuff, even if it sometimes feels weird to do so. The worst case scenario is for a spam commenter to actually profit from doing it - that means Steem rewards are being allocated to spam, which jeopardizes the whole system...
We gotta work together to keep this place moving. Well said.
It felt weird for me too until I realized that there was only so much Steem available and that their spam was hindering my progress as it was taking stuff away from my posts.
I'm grateful to those of you educating new users like myself on this! Steemit takes a desire for community, and i think because of the older users there are many available posts to teach us. In my first few days I left spamy comments like "nice post! Followed." and was able to correct my behavior before I annoyed anyone too much- luckily!
This is a great place, with plenty of incentives to be genuine :)
Your feedback is appreciated. Great to know stuff like this is still serving those newer to the platform.
You might find some gold in this curated piece - a lot of content, though a pretty thorough rundown to help shorten the learning curve and navigate the maze with some fundamental principles to up one'/ game here:
The Dirty Dozen: My Top 12 Most HIGHLY Recommended Posts For Steemit Noobs To Accelerate Your Success...
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Amen. 🙌
A lot if newbies fall into the 'I've followed you please follow me back' trap without realising this is the dumbest and most annoying thing on Steemit. And then sadly you have the real spammers where many couldn't give a toss. They are the most annoying.
Just out of interest @rok-sivante did you go back to see if that spammer stopped spamming or did he/she move onto others after realising he messed with the wrong guy?
nice post @rok-sivante welcome to the community, upvoted and followed you you can do the same
;p i am not a bot just i couldn't stop my self :p well @rok-sivante thank you for this great post i think i can agree with you in some points and disagree in others just one thing some times we should give an excuse for each other because we are all human beings we do a lot of bad stuff with good intentions ;) for a newbie or for some others steemit is place for profit ...but after you spend some time in the steemosphere you will realize that steemit is about giving not taking ...the reward is just something to help you and make you feel comfortable when you spend more than 2h writing a post or 5h editing a picture or more than a week building creating or crafting your soul in this product that some ... just will passe and say "nice followed you follow me "...and this will be appreciated of course if it is not a bot :(
I posted a video last week and the comment was "nice writeup" -_-
We definitely need to do something about this. We don't want newcomers to come here and see this place as spamland. We don't want them to think that it's the right way to be good at Steemit too.
Even if/when comments like that aren't spam - which surely is sometimes the case - it's really not adding much anything of value to the dialogue.
Maybe it's just my personal opinion, but why comment anything at all if it doesn't say something more than such a generic acknowledgement. Why is it a nice writeup? What about it do they like? What did they takeaway from it? Etc...
Perspectives like those might add something worthwhile to a dialogue and enrich the flow within the community...
This is an exemplification of a current problem in society as a whole. The technological revolution has a had a revolutionary effect on the ability of many people to maintain a regular human interaction. The impersonal and detached way that these comments come across is the true tell of their intent. I have zero use and little to no sympathy for anyone doing this as this is proof that they have not even skimmed the content. There is leeway if they are a noob, but within a week of being on the platform, there is no excuse for the level of bullshit comment posts that continue to be made.
Again, thank you for bringing another one of the underlying problems to the surface for us to reflect on and hopefully instigate a change. Without acknowledging there is a problem, it will never be fixed.