Can #NoBidBots be the alternative to Trending?
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Good move!
that's actually a great idea. using #nobidbots tag takes up 20% of someone's tag limit. and i agree, promoted content is fairly useless. I was just trying to find out about steemcleaners and how I can report really useless content, profitable or not. but having a section 'nobidbots' like, trending or hot, is really worth it. I have stopped looking at the trending page totally. when there are no new updates from those i follow, i go to tags that are of interest to me and check out the hot content (sounds so wrong). but i really like your idea. i think it will be really useful and will see serious acceptance. And i think it will also allow new users to find an audience.
PS. Thank you for the upvotes on some of my comments btw, has helped restore my rep.
I think the trending page is mostly viewed by new users, so you see posts where 99.9% of their rewards are from the 'bots'. Experienced users know to go elsewhere.
I'm happy to support you. I've been a victim of Mr H too.
true, i think one eventually finds way to good content.
yeah, i did come across a post either written by you, during what hit me in the last few days.
Mm you strategy is to just keep on chipping away. Trying to earn out of Steemit feels too much like a second job and I already work hard enough on the one I one I have already.
I don't visit the trending page at all as there never seems to be anything of interest on there.
It is kind of many villages lying in the outskirts of the known internet. You are like the travelling musician who visits a lot of villages, while I seldom have capacity to do anything but mind my own little community these days. Commenting takes too long for me.
I find bidbots stupid and destructive - it will only move value to the top of the pyramid, and I do hope we could get a larger middle class.
Ya mon, some excellent points of view here. I actually like the idea of the #nobidbots tag....Even though I'm actively experimenting with them under the steembirds account lol.
So far we have definitely found them to be unprofitable in terms of making overhead beyond the approximate initial investment. It's definitely a huge risk especially if your content sucks and gets downvoted.
The benefit has been that many more ppl see our content (songs that we've work extremely hard on and that we feel actively point out steem/steemit topics that probably should be addressed & discussed. Perhaps many people are either scared to talk about them or, just unfamiliar with what's actually going etc & it seems like through music and comedy, it makes it easier somehow for ppl to engage once it's brought to a large pool of ppl :)
In this respect, bots have been quite useful in inciting such epic discussions & I must say, it really does feel good to have something that you've worked very hard on and spent countless hours on actually get seen... We're talking about a few hundred extra views per song and maybe a 100 actual humans engaging and offering tangible commentary.
It takes artists hours sometimes days to actually write and rehearse an original tune and then to get a good take...that also (as you probably know) can take just as long lol
You're right, this is a very interesting time/phase for steemit. I for one am really excited to see how it all plays out. I personally find that these "low Moments" are the best times to engage and post consistently, when many ppl seem to be dropping out bc the currency seems low to them. This is really a great time to get real support and attention from real users, bc those are the ppl who are being active through the thick and thin.
It's been great to get your humble opinion on this topic these past few weeks, especially as someone who's been around the block"chain" (lol sry about that) as long as you have and who has seen a few of these "interesting times" first hand.
Hope all's well Steve
JB
You guys are proving me wrong in a way as you really do have some excellent content that needs to be seen by a wider audience. There are a few others I could list too. You are having to fight it out with your Steem Dollars to get up the trending page when this site is supposed to be about the opinions of the community. The trending page has been corrupted by paid votes, but then there were always issues as some people happened to have powerful friends.
I think there's room for the whales to act as patrons who support good content to get it trending without the creators having to pay and they would actually get much better rewards as well as recognition. The whales would profit from curation rewards.
I really don't have all the answers, but I see issues with how Steemit is working and wanted to offer an opinion. It's a whole new economy on Steemit and we have to find new ways to make it work for us.
Thanks for giving your input on this. This is exactly the sort of feedback I want. I don't pretend to always be right, but we have to have the discussions.
It's all good with me. I need to work on my next open mic song. Not got an original this time, but I'm working on some.
Cheers
I still think the voting bots are not the problem on the platform as long as the algorithm is the way it is - implement a new reward system and they would be gone. The big boys make use of it and this is the issue why it will not change. I have used some (or mainly one only) too - recently not a lot though - maybe the declining crypto prices will also stop usage of them. I do not know - I hear you and understand where you come from. If all agree no one uses them and they do a mirroring HF all is fine - however I would love we get rid of shitty, scummy witnesses before this is possible.
We each have a choice on how we proceed here, despite what some might say, and I choose to not use them as it feels wrong to me. I do okay as it is and I don't want to attract more spammers. I'll just have to wait longer for my rep to go up :)
Yes - totally understood and appreciated - now it is the voting bots - before it was the circle jerks (that got not mentioned anymore as of the bots - but these jerks are in my view more of a problem). There is a certain lady putting efforts into BI and data analysis that also says it is good now with low steem pricing as it helps to avoid spammers - i doubt that but I agree it is good to go low as quality "might" be better. But we all been here when Steem was at 7 Cents - the community feeling was better - so nothing new. People here sometimes claiming to be the helpers of a community be demonising things which are not doing anything better. Thanks for commenting @steevc - i am now sure you are the no. 1 Steemian with the best attitude of everyone.
I wouldn't put myself on a pedestal. I'm just putting my opinion out there to get responses. Some people are doing okay here, but this could just be the start of something much bigger if we can keep it going. I worry that a 'dash for cash' will be bad for Steemit. The majority will not get rich, but they can still make something in the long run. I want to see that happen.
Fingers crossed - we have the same wishes. Let us see if this is in line with the strategic direction taken from the guys behind it.
I stopped visiting trending page on any topic because the content of the most trending posts was really disappointing. It never occurred to me that the function could be used in a good way as you describe: to find "nobidbots" content. I will check that out. I am a strong believer that best way to find good content regularly is to find Steemians that are covering content that interests you with quality blogs and they often also mention other Steemians and so "guide" you to other bloggers with high-quality content... so you slowly build the network of people who write well about what you like or share similar interests. Here I would like to thank you @steevc: your posts Follow Friday revealed many interesting Steemians that I now follow.
I'm happy to have helped. As you say it's best to build your own feed of good content, but we need other ways to discover more
True: we need other ways to discover more. Looking forward to better ways!
Nowadays whoever I am asking how to increase my reputation either they say better you buy steem power or take the help of bots. What bots do exactly I don't know, sir please guide if I take the help of bots will it affect my blog reputation in the future.
Well I just increased your reputation with a vote. It's up to you to decide what path to take. Your reputation is supposed to indicate what others think of you, but what does it mean if you buy it from these so-called bots? They may give quick results, but I'm not sure they lead to long-term success. Build connections with those who share your interests. Make steemit fun and don't worry too much about the money for now.
You have made a good start by asking a valid question.
Sir..Thank you very much for showing me the right path. I will work hard to build my reputation and will try to focus on delivering good content.
I don't claim to have all the answers. I would suggest you space out your posts. They only earn for a week and you may want to save some for when you have more followers
Yes sir, you have given the right suggestion. From now on, I try to space out my post.
I have been using those tags for a couple of weeks now and I really haven't seen any difference between using them and not using them. I was hoping eventually I would start to pick up some more followers, but I don't think it is happening. I think people are still just chasing after the whales. Maybe my content is just crap :) who knows...
The trending page is nothing more then a 'Bought Add's". I never look at it because the posts that are on it are often not interesting.. I do look often at the NEW posts. The NOBIDBOT hashtag can be a cool one to use I guess.