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RE: Psychology Addict # 50 | Why Good People Do Evil Things?

in #steemstem5 years ago

We share an interest in this :)

If only it were always as easy to distinguish good from evil as experiments or history show us. The submissiveness of subordinates to their authorities is something that does not always happen consciously. In the various jobs I have worked through in my life, I have come to know premature obedience from people who have a quite surprising statement for me: If people orient themselves by an authoritative style of leadership and do not realize that they are doing so because they are afraid that they might be convicted of disobedience, it is probably a kind of habit.

I had a colleague who became famous for walking through the offices and corridors looking for things that weren't right. And every time she found something, she ordered her subordinates to tidy up or do a job that would not necessarily have required a job. This colleague was thoroughly disagreeable to me, and I found everything about her repulsive: her way of dressing, her vocal pitch with which she gave her instructions, her pettiness and pedantry towards other people, and in particular her conviction that people need her leadership who "cannot do it alone" or "are socially disadvantaged". From my point of view, she had unquestioningly adopted the worst sides of a leadership style she had known for years, which produced the worst of all human qualities: obedience without having been asked for it.

I wondered why I liked this woman so little. And I think it is now that I have read this article from you that I recognize myself in this woman. Whenever I observe others spreading an atmosphere of obedience, I feel reminded of having done just that. This part of me who feels uncomfortable when he is lazy at work, i.e. does not do an important job, is on guard against those who might notice such things and react negatively to them.

So my deep dislike is essentially not for this woman, but reminds me that I am ashamed to have shown similar behaviour. It is actually a good indicator because it prevents me from devaluing colleagues who have learned nothing else or who have not made themselves aware of it. Instead of defending myself against them, I can practice friendliness. Which is quite a difficult thing when you don't like someone. The true defense against evil in others is unconditional compassion for their shortcomings.

In order to help something like a Nazi regime to succeed, enough people have to be used to obeying for a long time and this comes to bear as soon as the situation becomes more extreme and the livelihood of people threatens or seems to become precarious and insecure. How quickly you become an adapted person yourself can be seen very clearly in extreme times. But if you take a closer look, you can also see it in times that are not marked by it.

The potential is always there, that's right:

Such findings consequently led Milgram to suggest that it is not so much who a person is that will determine their actions, but rather where they are and who they are with.

Every moment is important when you decide who you want to be. The question to yourself could be: For example, as what do I want to go down in the history of a company? How should people think of me or talk about me when I think ten years into the future? Which narrative do I want to choose or construct as ideal?

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Hello there Erika :)

Thank you , once again, for taking the time to share your insights here with me/us. Your observation about obedience to authority being something that may happen outside of conscious awareness brings to mind some of the evolutionary psychology readings I have done. Following leaders have proved adaptive to humans and their evolutionary history of development in tribal communities. Consequently, as @aboutcoolscience remarked point blank in this very thread: "it is how we are wired".

The description of your co-worker's behaviour illustrates human's susceptibility to treat others inhumanely just because they have been assigned to a specific role. And of course, as you highlighted, especially when someone's idea of being a leader is limited and synonym to oppression.

I was fascinated by your self-reflection: your acknowledgement of having some of that which repulses you in you. That is precisely the aim of Taoism. It is this sort of reflection, I believe, that prepare us with the strength to be compassionate towards those who we are not particularly fond of.

And the queries you left for us here truly pave the way towards that path.

Thank you for this comment Erika!
Much love to you all the way from Portugal ❤😊

Thank you, Abi.

Right now we are in Italy/Tuscany on vacation. It's really hot here and we don't dare to drive to Florence in this heat (it's going to be 38 degrees). Maybe another day when we'll get up early enough to make the trip.

The Tao way of living is so far the best I can imagine. And the most difficult one to follow.

Sending you love back to Portugal! ❤

Goodness me Erika! Not even my home town in North East Brazil is that hot right now :D Still ... it all sounds wonderful! I wish you and the family a beautiful, beautiful summer holiday in Italy.

Much love :)

Excellent post, and great feedback from your readers!
I was struck by this: I wondered why I liked this woman so little. And I think ... I recognize myself in this woman. I was just reading Carl Jung and the Shadow: The Ultimate Guide to the Human Dark Side:

The “shadow” is a concept first coined by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung that describes those aspects of the personality that we choose to reject and repress. For one reason or another, we all have parts of ourselves that we don’t like—or that we think society won’t like—so we push those parts down into our unconscious psyches. It is this collection of repressed aspects of our identity that Jung referred to as our shadow.
If you’re one of those people who generally loves who they are, you might be wondering whether this is true of you. “I don’t reject myself,” you might be thinking. “I love everything about me.”
However, the problem is that you’re not necessarily aware of those parts of your personality that you reject. According to Jung’s theory, we distance ourselves psychologically from those behaviors, emotions, and thoughts that we find dangerous.


So I'm repressing my inner tyrant, bully, bureaucrat, rule-enforcing autocrat?

I guess, your reply aimed at Abigail? but as you quoted me, I feel talked to :)

Yes, I have known the "shadow" Jung called that for a very long time, actually since my youth, when my good friend once mentioned that what we reject only annoys us so much because we recognized ourselves in it. Jung is right if he thought that was dangerous, because it is probably one of the most difficult insights someone dares to admit. For me, anger is a great indicator when I get terribly upset about another person in social interaction. Then I say to myself as a rule: If it upsets you so much, what does it have to do with you? Basically, something that we don't know or haven't experienced can't really excite us. You cannot judge the taste of bananas, nor be angry or delighted if you have never eaten bananas. So it is always an anchor for me to take a step back and reflect on myself when my feelings are aroused and I could then indulge and say to myself: "Oh well, I only have "bananas" :) Laugh!

To answer your last question: Yes, you do :D, we all do that. Good to know, yes?

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