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RE: PRACTICAL THINKING. — Getting something for free and paying to get it aren't always alternatives. Fun and games with second price auctions. Strategies to improve signup for Steem and other new publishing platforms.

in #steemstem7 years ago

I think delegation to new members can drain away based on conditions and perhaps even increase for other members based on crieria.

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Yes, this will have to happen, I think. My post was about making new users bid for continued delegation at the end of the first month. Possibly increase delegation, but failing that, to end the delegation.

Some people suggested alternatively making account creation almost instantaneous and waiting for delegation, not account creation. That would however leave many unusable accounts and confused new users, I think.

the account can happen immediately and you can receive daily delegation rewards growing the initial stages slowly while confirming the users as real :)

I'll have to think about this one. Question is how to confirm real users of course.

Somebody controls 10000000 accounts. They can just upvote one account by another via scripts. Permutations.

Moderation of course doesn't scale, and moderators may dislike some real users but honest users (you like cats, he likes dogs, etc) and each other, leading to weird decisions.

Also new users still have to receive some delegation in this case to begin using the accounts.

This might be combined with second price auction bids to keep increasing delegations.

And bids get redistributed. Supporting valid delegations and accounts to flag phishing and spear phising and other clearly bad actors.

I was thinking they can bid for higher delegation, if they produced content that was upvoted. This would allow consensus to set the price for delegation, and rings without content would suffer attrition about delegated to accounts in the process. Can't as easily be gamed.

But increasing over time delegations on top of that, for a few months, except in certain flagging conditions might be a something to try, to experiment with.

What do you think?

The ideas that come to mind when I read this is:

If you look at steem there is scopes.

You can look at posts as the smallest scope. Posts are what what you want on steem when a user is active and each post is different from the next, unless you evaluate them by bigger scopes.

Then there is accounts, accounts are generally a bigger scope of a posts activity, your bad accounts will be very likely to remain problematic throughout more than one post, rather than creating one bad post they would typically create many, same goes for good accounts, they tend to stay good.

Then there is groups, groups of accounts indicate that we can possibly draw higher conclusions than the stream of posts that an account producers, there is the stream of accounts that groups produce.

So while groups are difficult to always determine we have accounts to go by, so beyond rewarding posts with votes, one could look at producing phenomenon that rewards accounts that look promising.

Beyond that we can say that if you become a member of certain groups, it might be fair to receive the attention that other group members have. So we could look at maybe software that allows groups to host movements that fund member participation, and so set up guilds where exceptional new members can, instead of receiving the curie trail vote, get bonus delegation and capital incentive on a more permanent basis alongside invitations to group memberships for more permanent boost for good members, which widens the gap between good users and abusers.

I think there is a lot we can do to create guilds and groups that boost good members, decentralizing the moderation effort so that groups of relevant interest can self moderate and use their group power to create footholds for certain communities on steem.

In some arenas up to date information is a major thing, steem has a way of featuring new stuff that if we simply establish communities that reward information that is totally new, we'll already give steem a huge boost as a network.

This above is good. Was thinking about such things for academic publishing as well. Check out the last part of my post from a week ago, the channel update one for my subscribers. It describes a way to generate group specific tokens without further encryption / decryption and that can be used to give delegation within a group and by exchange rates between such subtokens for better or worse groups convert to tokens usable in other groups.

This can boost new accounts producing good content. Combined with some sort of second price auction mechanism for delegation this might do the trick.