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Topic: Should gold foil cards get an even higher DEC bonus on quests?


I am in good faith asking this question to everyone who wishes to answer because I am biased, having spent a large majority of my collection outlay on gold cards in seeing them for their rarity and likely chance they will one day be very tough to find even on the markets when they are leveled and maxed out much more so than they are now. They are 50X rarer than the original card, often common gold cards are rarer than even regular legendary cards of that print run. Plus the premium paid is greatly bumped up because of those reasons.
So I think that if there is a bump up in DEC bonsues the gold foil cards should get a large increase in bonus DEC. What about you, what are your thoughts here?


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User @rentmoney wrote at 24.06.2019 10:58:11 UTC:

NO, I am of the opinion that too much DEC is being given out. Currently its possible for the top players to earn $1 or more worth of DEC in a single match. Alpha also gets too high of a bonus over Beta cards as well.

Personally I think that is great that top notch players are able to make that kind of money per match. I do agree however the game format needs to change to where people should not have to play 50, 60 or even more matches daily to place very highly towards the front of the rankings. I have proposed a few ideas there also. Also with the higher bonus paid out on alphas and golds could possibly level out the payouts with bonuses of those of us that don't rank that high but have some really killer cards here and there. Thanks for responding @rentmoney I do agree with you to a certain point, but also think the more money/resources sent out the players a better thing for the whole economy of the game.


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User @jarvie wrote at 25.06.2019 16:25:39 UTC:

@rentmoney i have looked and looked at many games and i'm consistently seeing 250-350dec per win. There may be outliers and perhaps a lot of matches using beta level cards... but i guess it perhaps takes more skill but is doable to win with purely alpha level cards.
I suppose it is doable to bring in 30-40% more with extra alpha cards and the same for gold and thus 350*1.8
I guess if someone won a ton of games in a row at champ 1 then hitting 800-900 is quite the feet and worth the reward.
But if i had to guess the statistical average of games won at Champ 1 i'd say 325dec ... that's the number we should be talking about.
And from what i'm seeing it looks like there are about 10-20 wins a day from the top players. Meaning the top players are making let's say 2500-6000 dec on the daily. I'm guessing that the average is at or just below 4000 dec/daily for the top 50 players.

I personally have not seen anyone get much more than 400 DEC in a match that I have lost to even the highest ranked players. If the very highest ranked players are even getting that per win you would have to consider some things as well, being the amount paid for the deck they are playing is worth at minimum hundreds if not thousands of dollars if they own the cards. Also if you are unhappy with what your beta cards are yielding an option would also be to either sell or lease out your beta cards, and purchase leases of alpha/promo cards that yield higher returns such as even gold alpha/gold promo. We are still very fortunate that there is very much an arbitrage opportunity for those who wish to purchase leases of cards, play them to mine DEC and still be able to profit a very solid margin based on the additional DEC you take in daily. There are lots of options available to you @rentmoney if you go along with the game theory for the basis of DEC payouts, of which I personally have gone out and leased several cards with a few different accounts to fill out my lineups and make gathering of DEC better. I would encourage you to take a look at that option if you are at all unhappy with the DEC you are currently yielding on your cards with each match. Those that are netting 3-4-5k+ per day with their cards are definitely earning it at the moment because there is some serious equity in purchasing or leasing these cards based on their values.


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User @wilhb81 wrote at 24.06.2019 11:03:30 UTC:

User @rentmoney wrote at 24.06.2019 10:58:11 UTC:

NO, I am of the opinion that too much DEC is being given out. Currently its possible for the top players to earn $1 or more worth of DEC in a single match. Alpha also gets too high of a bonus over Beta cards as well.

Imagine using the full set Alpha gold foiled cards...

Imagine having paid for and bought all alpha gold foil cards, haha-not cheap regardless almost of when you bought them. I think the premium is more than fair and could actually be much higher if it needed to be to favor golds, especially alpha golds. It would also level out the value of the regular cards giving the people who are playing with high end gold decks (like yours truly--again I am heavily biased here). To get a maxed beta regular common, say a goblin shaman--like 13-$15. To get a maxed out beta goblin shaman gold foil--easily 25-$35. There are very likely hundreds maxed out regular cards of that version. There are very likely less a dozen maxed out GF cards with the potential of about 60-80 of them, ever. That's one card also. Just a thought, I figured it would be a juicy conversation.


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User @toocurious wrote at 24.06.2019 08:07:06 UTC:

I think they are doing very well with a 10% increase per card, generating on average a 50% bonus and if those are alpha you are looking at a 100% bonus. What I don't really understand, is what you mean with if there is a bump in DEC bonuses? Is that announced?


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Yeah same here @rentmoney, I am happy also as it is. I guess I meant if there were an increase in gold cards, but yeah how it is pretty damn solid. In the end we have to adapt or die, lol, as is in everything else. Good conversation, thanks for weighing in I think we all got something to take away from the exchange. Best of luck and take it easy on me out there in battles.


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I think the current 10% per gold card is good enough to ensure a healthy distribution of DECs.
But I do agree that more should be done to encourage the buying and using of GF cards. That is why I had been suggesting to create a separate ranking ladder for GF-only games. Right now, I don't use my GF cards on ranked, because they are lower level than my regular foils. But if there is a separate ranked ladder, then I will be able to play them with my GF cards. I am sure many other players will too. This will definitely encourage more people to buy GF cards.


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User @rentmoney wrote at 24.06.2019 10:58:11 UTC:

NO, I am of the opinion that too much DEC is being given out. Currently its possible for the top players to earn $1 or more worth of DEC in a single match. Alpha also gets too high of a bonus over Beta cards as well.

Imagine using the full set Alpha gold foiled cards...


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NO, I am of the opinion that too much DEC is being given out. Currently its possible for the top players to earn $1 or more worth of DEC in a single match. Alpha also gets too high of a bonus over Beta cards as well.


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User @cryptkeeper17 wrote at 24.06.2019 11:33:48 UTC:

User @wilhb81 wrote at 24.06.2019 11:03:30 UTC:

User @rentmoney wrote at 24.06.2019 10:58:11 UTC:

NO, I am of the opinion that too much DEC is being given out. Currently its possible for the top players to earn $1 or more worth of DEC in a single match. Alpha also gets too high of a bonus over Beta cards as well.

Imagine using the full set Alpha gold foiled cards...

Imagine having paid for and bought all alpha gold foil cards, haha-not cheap regardless almost of when you bought them. I think the premium is more than fair and could actually be much higher if it needed to be to favor golds, especially alpha golds. It would also level out the value of the regular cards giving the people who are playing with high end gold decks (like yours truly--again I am heavily biased here). To get a maxed beta regular common, say a goblin shaman--like 13-$15. To get a maxed out beta goblin shaman gold foil--easily 25-$35. There are very likely hundreds maxed out regular cards of that version. There are very likely less a dozen maxed out GF cards with the potential of about 60-80 of them, ever. That's one card also. Just a thought, I figured it would be a juicy conversation.

99% of my cards came from purchasing booster packs, $2 a pack for BETA addition / the same as most paid for their Alpha addition Booster Packs. I do agree that Aplha should get more DEC/Rewards compared to Beta because Alpha is first edition but the current rate is too high IMO. Its great that SM/SP team and devs are creating many ways to earn and I certianly agree that the ones that spent the most and/or the ones at the top of the leaderboad deserve to earn more then lower to mid level players/investors.

To put things in another perspective. .... Beta cards (which have many first edition cards) get the same DEC rate as Rewards cards which can be attained for free in league play. Orb cards, which can be bought with DEC get a higher rate then BETA cards. If we take a look at some other factors like the ALPHA to BETA conversion / potions that allow BETA Booster packs to have higher gold and legendary drop rates (all things that increase BETA card supply thus potentially droping beta card value) Us Beta card collectors are getting shafted here a little bit imo.


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