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RE: I thought Steem blockchain represented freedom and anarchy? I guess I was wrong.

in #ungrip5 years ago (edited)

Flags are not violence, and you seriously made a post crying about a 1/10th cent flag saying you were mugged?

While I agree there are a lot of malicious flags (I get nearly 100 of them on some days, almost always more than 20-30 from spammers I flag) without flags and the threats of flags, the price of Steem would be hitting $0.00 nearly overnight. Large stakeholders will make 10 posts with just a single character using all their voting power as most likely the large majority of the userbase.

I can see your posts get more support than 99% of the users here, and you are complaining about losing 1/10th of a cent that wasn't even in your wallet. Not to mention you made $6 complaining about a 1/10th of a cent flag.

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Maybe they are technically not violence, they are often perceived as violence. Do the benefits really outweigh the negative impact?

It is exactly because of this over drama they are perceived this way.

He is perpetuating a bad and OLDSTEEM
way of thinking and it's lame and short sighted

Well we certainly can use a paradigm shift

flags are violence and theft . investigation of the platform is a must

flags ARE violence and theft , but certain users like @themarkymark & @whatsup are desperately trying to convince people otherwise . everybody should ask themselves WHY are they so flag friendly and how flagging benefits their other steem businesses

marky mark beanie jerkoff sanders are the ones flagging everyone and then complain and tell people the opposite of what is fact
you would think your watching mainstream news listening to these clowns
keep informing people of these problems sir and hopefully the majority here will wake up
i personally flag nobody since i believe everyone has a right to their opinion even if i hate some of them and nobody should be flagged for voicing their beliefs
cheers and good comment and completely true

Point to one flag flown on my content that was beneficial. One of the hundreds.

Bernie is perhaps the most prolific flagger on the platform. I don't see any benefit to anyone - any person - from any flag he's flown.

I've seen you fly a lot of flags for no good reason as well. You seem to be very willing to simply censor people because you don't like them, and you certainly like extracting your outsize share of rewards after they've been flagged back to the pool.

Pot calling kettles black. Makes me ashamed of your avatar.

I don't see any benefit to anyone - any person - from any flag he's flown.

Wrong.

He's so cracked that most of his flags are bs now.

But, you seem to have missed out on the times when he was the only whale that gave a fuck about bullshit or plagiarism on trending.

Ever considered how much money he threw away by flagging? Nope. Imagine he went full Haejin. He would have made more. Mined stake or not.

"...you seem to have missed out on the times when he was the only whale that gave a fuck about bullshit or plagiarism on trending."

I've only been here a couple years. I may have missed that because it happened before I got here, or because I simply ignore trending.

Thanks for the info though.

Point is, he did lots of good, but the him right now is not that good.

I appear to be ignorant of the former, and can but agree with the latter.

I never flagged you.

All my flags have a good reason, I don't because I disagree with someone or I don't like them.

I didn't say you had flagged me. @stembot has flown a lot of flags, and I've seen flags you've flown on this account for what seems to be mere personal reasons. Certainly it is true I have no idea of what's in your head, but appearances can be revealing.

appearances can be revealing.

Apparently not. Did you actually check out what was flagged?

For the most part, no. But I have been present and witnessed flags flown for what I recall being mere personal antipathy. I didn't keep a ledger and don't care enough to sift through the thousands of flags to post a list. It's my recollection of my impression at the time based on my personal presence on posts where I witnessed the event.

I don't feel with my eyes. My recollection is of what I perceived. My feelings about my recollections are why I discuss them, but my perceptions themselves are not feelings.

Then, it's not relevant. Feelings are not facts.

Stembot was being decommissioned and I used a lot of voting power to flag before removing the delegation. All the flags were for spam and abuse. Not a single one was because I didn't like someone or I was having a hissy fit.

I have been a witness to flags you've claimed to have flown for reasons you stated were based on dislike for a person or their opinion, few I specifically recall other than noting it happened. Perhaps @drugwars might jog your memory.

Not that I actually care a great deal, and I don't keep a ledger FFS. My actual issue with your impact on Steem is that you run a bidbot, and the reason it matters to me is because is devalues humanity, equating humanity to mere devices. No matter how that is done, for what reasons it is done, that fundamental degradation cannot be mitigated, and going forward I believe that degradation will prove, if it has not already, to be of existential import.

It's easy to point and laugh at that philosophical line in the sand, and say 'it's just about some money', but the fact is that technology advances, and machines have already been granted citizenship. Slopes are slippery, and that's a fact.

Society is people, and applying rights to machines or devices is a step onto that slope.

Please stop.

I never flagged anyone because of drug wars. Get your facts straight.

While I completely agree with your comment here, and disagree with almost all the claims made by the OP, I do agree that being flagged for one's opinion is harmful to this platform. Note that I am not a fan of your business model on Steem, and have no fear of flags from you or anyone, yet have never flagged you.

I find your abiity to reason all too apparent, and simply await your recognition that bidbots, even those carefully purged of shitposters as is yours, are destructive of society employed as curators and equal to human persons on social media.

I suspect you allow your profits to blind you to your societal malignance. Like a reformed smoker, I await your evolution from a malign influence to a zealot intent on countering it. After Steem collapses as a result of HF21 and you realize the destructive influence of stake weighting and automated social influence on social discourse, let me know. I'd probably welcome your social effect once you are disabused of your focus on profit, and become devoted to people.

He was not flagged because of opinion and I don't agree with flagging for opinion either. I wasn't even the one who flagged him.

Bid bots are here, they are not going anywhere and I'm one of the select few that care about preventing them being used for garbage and do more than any other to enforce that. If I stopped running a bid bot, the situation would be worse than it is now that SP would be handed to another bid bot owner who doesn't give a shit.

Kinder, gentler votebots is not a solution to bots voting. For a metaphor that really sinks this idea home, have a read at 'The Seventh Rapist', regarding prison rape. Kinder, gentler rapists aren't the solution to the problem of prison rape either.

I didn't flag OP either. I have to say I find your statement that you don't agree with opinion flagging disingenuous, as I have seen what I was certain were opinion flags you've flown on multiple occasions. I'll also note certain of your associations strongly indicate support for opinion flagging. I do concede you've not flagged me for it, despite motivation.

I didn't flag OP either. I have to say I find your statement that you don't agree with opinion flagging disingenuous, as I have seen what I was certain were opinion flags you've flown on multiple occasions.

Proof or bullshit.

I'll also note certain of your associations strongly indicate support for opinion flagging.

Why because I did a curation project with him? Bullshit as well.

"Proof or bullshit."

I reckon you are better able to dig through steemd than I. Perhaps you have strange ideas about what is spam, and have convinced yourself that you were countering spam. Even if I spent time looking back, in such case all I'd do is waste both our time.

If you're not going to opinion flag from here on out, good. I wish you'd address how bots voting degrades humanity, and being less rapine about it isn't solving the problem.

I never opinion flag, it's not something I'm starting from here on out. Seems very odd you accuse me of it yet have no proof or too lazy to come up with some "example" of it.

Nothing I can do about bot voting, linear rewards opened that door and I don't see it stopping when 90% of the bot owners are AFK.

Either you aren't being honest about your motivations for flying the flags you've flown, or have mentally blocked them out, or have convinced yourself you flew them for other reasons. Handing you a list of flags won't prove anything, and all I can base my opinion on is what I can see. I can't see what's in your head. I can't prove your motivation no matter how hard I try. I've said I was convinced you flew flags for what appeared to me to be personal dislike or disagreement on opinion, and I can't prove to you what was in my head either. Speaking of appearances...

"Nothing I can do about bot voting..."

Says the bidbot owner. Do you even grasp the vapidity of that claim?

Either you aren't being honest about your motivations for flying the flags you've flown, or have mentally blocked them out, or have convinced yourself you flew them for other reasons. Handing you a list of flags won't prove anything, and all I can base my opinion on is what I can see. I can't see what's in your head. I can't prove your motivation no matter how hard I try. I've said I was convinced you flew flags for what appeared to me to be personal dislike or disagreement on opinion, and I can't prove to you what was in my head either. Speaking of appearances...

So bullshit.

Everyone I flag is for spam/abuse/harassment.

Says the bidbot owner. Do you even grasp the vapidity of that claim?

I explained it earlier, I am the best bot owner you will find. I flag spam, I prevent shit being voting on, I proactively spend thousands of hours finding and stopping shit. If I stopped, the SP would go to another bid bot owner that doesn't care. So you would be worse off than you are now.

If there was a way to get rid of all bid bots and make trending 100% organic and authentic, I'd be all for it. Even before when bid bots didn't exist, It was all sold votes and circle jerks. Now it is public, transparent, and fair.

flags are violence and theft and you are sick maniac , trying to harm people

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