A few thoughts on the future of Steem

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A few thoughts on the future of Steem


It has become a bit quieter since the last fork, but definitely a little more peaceful. The large Downvote armies are now more active on Hive.
I receive an average of 10 downvotes for each of my postings, but I have to live with that. The downvotes are only small lights and do little harm. They only interfere, and that also seems to be their job: to disturb peace on the blockchain.

These strange people downvote everyone and everything, across beds. If a new user registers here and then receives downvotes for his first postings, that user is immediately demotivated and will avoid the platform. Basically, the small mass downvotes are psychological terror. On the other hand, something should be done actively.

Such people can be identified very quickly. With the help of the ingenious Steemworld by @steemchiller, everyone can see in 30 seconds who is a permanent downvoter.
It will look like that:

One of the biggest downvoters is @camillesteemer. He probably has more than 3,000 accounts and this troll army just downvotes and does nothing else. This has hardly any financial impact, but it is annoying and a bad signal, especially for new users. We cannot tolerate such users, they should be excluded from the community. If you are only here to disturb, you have no right to exist here. I have been wondering for a long time why there is no action on this?

I've always been an enemy of downvotes. I advocate completely removing the down vote function.
Who publishes bad content doesn't get upvotes. Whoever causes copyright violations should end up on a blacklist and a bot like the former Cheetah should indicate under each post that this user works with unfair methods. Then the user in question receives no upvotes and that is punishment enough.

I would also appreciate it if you could upvote posts after more than 7 days.

A new voting system could be implemented in a later HF. All postings should be upvotable forever. The Steemblockchain is fast enough to calculate everything immediately.
The amounts for the author and the curator could be credited immediately after each individual vote. Why do we need a reward pool? If everything is calculated immediately and the amounts are transferred, then we do not need a reward pool. I'm not a blockchain developer, but technically that would probably be solvable.
The pool is currently only an advantage for large investors and whales. It would be better for content creators if all amounts of votes were immediately calculated and transferred adhoc.

On the whole, Steem has developed very well and the course seems to be steered in the right direction by clever minds.

I'm disappointed with Hive. I was excluded from the airdrop due to a script error. Then it was said that I would get my airdrop afterwards. I haven't seen anything yet.

Please don't ask me if I think Hive is good or bad. Hive is a clone of Steem and will sooner or later have some problems with the legal system. The fork itself is OK, but also to take over the entire content from Steem 1 to 1, that shouldn't be legally clean. I have said it over and over again. You can fork a blockchain, but never copyright.

If Hive had started new and without content, it would be ok, but they also cloned all values. Where are all the HIVE from the 300 blacklisted users now? By their very nature, these were stolen and moved to another private account on Hive.

Those were just a few personal thoughts. I don't expect everyone to share my opinion.


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Accounts that do nothing but down-vote, full approval, they would have to be shut down somehow. I'm not against downvotes in general, if they are used as a last resort for the really bad things. A restriction like @atego suggests, I could well imagine.

Would be interesting if the system would work without a 7 day limit. One reason for the regulation is probably that posts are written regularly.


Accounts die nichts anderes machen als downvoten, volle Zustimmung, die müssten irgendwie stillgelegt werden. Pauschal bin ich nicht gegen Downvotes, wenn diese als letztes Mittel für die wirklich üblen Sachen genutzt werden. Eine Beschränkung wie @atego vorschlägt, könnte ich mir gut vorstellen.

Wäre interessant, ob das System ohne 7 Tage Grenze funktionieren würde. Ein Grund für die Regelung ist wohl, dass Beiträge regelmäßig verfasst werden.

Wir sind ja schon eine Weile auf dem Steem und ich habe gefühlt 1000 Leute gesehen, die wegen ihrer abweichenden Meinung in Grund und Boden geflaggt wurden. Da waren richtig gute Leute dabei z.B. Argalf. Das Missbrauchspotential ist einfach zu groß. Alternativ, dass hatte ich etwa vor einem Jahr geschrieben, sollte eine Bann-Funktion eingeführt werden. Das ist wahrscheinlich technisch noch einfacher umzusetzen. So hätte jeder Blogebetreiber eine Art virtuelles Hausrecht und könnte andere komplett ausschließen. Wenn User A User B bannt, könnte B nichts mehr tun, was A schadet. Ich denke, jeder sollte einen Schutzmechanismus haben. Den gibt es aber zur Zeit nicht. Du kannst Deinen Blog über Jahre aufbauen. Hast Du Feinde, ist der in 2 Wochen ruiniert. Habe schon gesehen wie die Rep von 65 in 3 Tagen auf -5 geflaggt wurde. Das darf nicht sein.

Halle seoboss downvote würde ich im System verbannen aber wenn es dann sein muss sollte ein Account maximal 2 Downvote pro Tag haben und alle mit der gleichen Votekraft egal wie viel SP ein Account hat
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Ja, das wäre so auch OK.

I definitely feel as if things are getting back to normal after the fork. People seem to be more active on Hive, and that is kind of fine, as long as people on Steem can keep on working like they want to.

When it comes to downvoting, I agree with you. I don't like it, and I haven't downvoted a single post in my life yet. But, something like CHeetah and other tools to actually punish spammers, those stealing content and so would be good... But, using the downvote function as a way of saying that I don't agree with you, is stupid!

The problem is not the downvotes themselves, the problem is mass abuse. Check out this account and all of its "friends". This is not normal and must be stopped. https://steemworld.org/@camillesteemer

Yeah, I get the point... I have received quite a lot of downvotes from that account and similar accounts myself, but seeing that they don't have value, I haven't cared. But, I do get that it might be depressing and make newcomers who don't really get it feel bad!

It's the tactic of little pinpricks. (so we call it in German) It doesn't bother us, but others who only have 100 SP or less will not feel comfortable if they receive unjustified downvotes. Attention should also be paid to ethics and etiquette here.

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Need to check what these downvote armies. Are they like 15 sp delegated accounts?

Yes, they are weak, but they deliberately disturb peace on the blockchain :-). I am talking about the principle.

Dear @seo-boss

Interesting choice of topic. One of those posts, which surely are worth checking out and reading through.

It's surely very uncertain to predict what future STEEM holds. However it seem that current centralization of power can and will change token economy. Perhaps it will work well.

Surely there will be less selling pressure, since Ned and many whales (who were dumping high curation rewards) are not going to be part of equation.

Hive is a clone of Steem and will sooner or later have some problems with the legal system. The fork itself is OK, but also to take over the entire content from Steem 1 to 1, that shouldn't be legally clean.

We share similar opinion. And to make things worse - many users were declined to receive airdrop, however they content has been still copied (stolen).

ps. do you use discord?
Consider joining our PH community discord sever: https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW

Again, solid read. Upvote on the way :)
Yours, Piotr