Seek And You Shall Find!
First they killed the desire for new people to join Steemit by limiting them to just a few comments... Reason was to stop spam!
Now they are killing the ability of smaller people to make anything on the their votes as the money/power flows to the big boys on an even greater scale... Reason is to improve quality of posts!
I have news for you
With virtually no new people coming in and the vast majority of those that are here having a vote that doesn't matter (and thus they will stop posting), you will succeed at both your missions.
Sometimes people DO find what they seek! So I guess congratulations???
ps... thank you @yabapmatt and @aggroed for creating @steemmonsters and now @steem-engine!!!
No doubt it's going to be rough to begin with, how long for depends on the community, and in particular those with enough stake to impact ridiculous selfvoting/shitposting/bot stacking on turd content.
You have to admit though that the current path isn't a good one - time will tell whether this new direction is any better.
lol on the selfvoting/shitposting/bot stacking on turd content... how do you really think about it Asher? :P
I do agree completely that is an issue to deal with and was absurd too... I think I would've opted to keep the small fry engaged and got the whales to use their power to stop some or most of that, but its not my blockchain and I'm certainly not an expert.
I am super happy with @steem-engine and the things it is sprouting daily, maybe that is all we need to keep our smaller people going? I also love the games that have been added (and will be added), and the possibility they bring for steem usage. So steemit itself takes a hit for awhile until they figure out the "magic formula", its not the end of the world. I'm not going anywhere :D
I hope my feelings towards that behaviour are clear enough, and I will be pointing some fingers later today.
Everyone needs to take part in the management of content, even if the smaller votes don't impact rewards that much.
Steem-engine and palnet are a godsend and we are lucky to have Matt and Aggy with us on Steem.
Glad to here you are buckled up - those cards need collecting and being put forward into battle :)
Buckled and ready ;)
And I will make a point to find that post, I like it when you point your fingers!!! Go get 'em Asher!
Aggroed and yabapmatt are keeping us alive.
Definitely... They have given us hope and shown us a way forward!
I think they have made bad decisions, although it is true that the great whales are the ones that do most of the work in steemit, but we small creators of content must also be insensitive
I guess its a matter of what the big whales want. If they are focused on smaller but better, then of course its their choice. And hopefully they have a plan that helps the small content creators!
I also hope that, and that this does not become the law of the funnel "the narrow for some and the wide for others"
Well.. you should add palnet.io too Coach!
:) ... thanks Cici! I definitely do include palnet for sure! And splinterlandtalk (spt) and many many more that will come from steem-engine!!! ;)
Yeaahh.. including our own tokens😉 and today I can use palnet.io from ginabot too 😄😄😃 that's amazing!
yeah you are very true, sir. Thanks in steem-engine there are many ways we can still survive amd enjoy in staying steem.
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I completely agree @mrnightmare89... Steem-engine is amazing and is getting better with each day!
Hey, @davemccoy.
Wait. I thought this hard fork is supposed to kill spam. And incentivize people who aren't doing the right thing to do the right thing because apparently they're unable to do the right thing without incentives. The other hard fork was supposed to open the floodgates and shift the expenses of running a blockchain from Steemit to the users.
I think the expenses got shifted (RCs—lower SP can't do anything), but Velocity seems to have been stuck in first gear.
I guess the point we're both making is, whatever they told you the hard fork is for, it's probably not going to accomplish that, but have some other effect, ill-intended or ill-advised. And then we'll have the same folks saying we need to try something else, if there's anyone else around to even care at that point.
hahaha... yes
That was said much more humorously than me, but we are DEFINITELY on the same page Glen! :P
On a more important point, how are you doing? I hope very good and its always nice to see you for sure :)
I'm doing good. I've been working for over a week now at a new job, so I'm trying to learn the ropes. Not too stressful, but I haven't been left on my own yet. Sounds like it happens for part of the day today, though.
We generally are on the same page. I'm glad you found some humor in what I wrote. It's finding the humor in anything that's being done here that I guess becomes important for motivation and sanity.
I can't say I'm worse off since the last hard fork, because things started to pick up for me around the same time. I can't say there's a correlation (Musing is mostly responsible), but some of the factors that existed aren't really the same now (Musing), so maybe I've benefitted somehow, and maybe I will again. The problem is, it's not helping anyone of low SP, and I'm not sure how we're expecting everyone to throw money at something that they don't know if they'll be able to regularly use, or that will actually get them ROI because the value's stuck in the $0.40s or so.
awesome Glen! Congrats on the new job... I have no doubt you will learn the ropes, so tell them to leave you alone :P
And yes on the humor too... Completely agree it keeps us sane ;)
I don't know the details, but do know that one of the big drivers of people to even be here is to earn something. If that gets taken away for many, my guess is they will re-evaluate their reason for posting here. (and that doesn't even mention the possibility of getting a negative flag which for me has been a huge turnoff over time)
My guess is they think if they give enough SP to the "gatekeepers" they've chosen, that those groups will find ways to reward others and keep people interested. My thoughts on that (if true) is that doesn't work so well. People are people and I think its been shown that most of the SP ends up in the few "chosen" or "favorite" ones. If they can get a truly unbiased group of people to curate great posts, then my hat tip will be to them for sure though!
Great job again on the job and hope they unleash you quickly so you can show them a thing or two :)
They sort of 'unleashed' me today, @davemccoy, but I don't think I showed them a whole lot. Keys continue to baffle me—there's 26, I don't use them all, and inevitably, I come across a lock that won't open. That happened again a time or two while I was on my own.
I guess they expect things like that, and I don't think it was critical I get into the game since there were plenty of toys in the machine to be won—it's just nice to have some more.
re: gatekeepers
I've never been so keen on any of this, because right now the gatekeepers tend to be dApps, and I don't know how much actual curation goes on. It feels more like "thanks for using our app", which isn't the same thing.
Then, there's all kinds of other more or less self-appointed groups with their own delegations and upvoting of members, and I don't know. It just seems a little too inclusive and a little too much like a voting circle, regardless of how good the content might be. How often those groups taken on new members, or others move on, or how much quarreling there may be, or favoritism, I have no clue, since I avoid much of that by keeping away from discord and not participating or being invited to participate.
I can't see how the flagging system is going to get any better with a percentage of them being free. The only thing worse would be more free, or them actually being rewarded. Then it's all over.
STEEM was not set up to be a social media reward system. It was set up with the crypto-geek-investor in mind, with way too much Reddit influence. So, it's not just the flagging, but that's the one that's the most flagrant, I think.
cool that you were unleashed! And its also nice that you get to play with 26 keys... that sounds like a mini-puzzle everyday :)
I'm with you on your points about the "groups" on there... Even though I run one, I am careful to require NOTHING to be in it. I don't like to be beholden to anyone, so I don't want others to be beholden to our group either. I know there are some great "missions" of some of the groups, lets just hope a few find a way to avoid the power going to their heads!
And yes on the flagging...Its the most disturbing aspects pre-fork... As it gets easier, I can only imagine that it will get worse. It would be different if I thought the "good whales" would grow some balls and do something to stop the abusers. But as I've witnessed for 1 1/2 years, that isn't going to happen. If someone is big enough, he's in the club (no matter how repulsive and destructive his activities may be).
Good to see you get something fun to do with yourself and happy to have you stop by and give me your always great thoughts on this issue!
Hi there @davemccoy. I don't understand why they keep wanting to cutting off their noses. I thought we want Steemit to grow? I guess we have lofty thoughts.
yes @tryskele, we are up in the clouds with that novel concept of "growth" :P
I don't understand it, but very happy that steem-engine showed up and gave us other things to "invest our time, energy, and money in"!
@oracle-d and @steem.ninja have a good plan with invite Tokens.
awesome @melinda010100... I am hoping the tokenization from steem-engine will be a driver of steem communities and from what you just said, that sounds like some have already taken the bull by the horns! Thanks for the info :)
There are so many fantastic developers doing so many marvelous things on Steem! I am quite excited about everything that is happening here!
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Only the strong new commers will survive.
I rest my case.
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