Sort:  

Not at all one ductatorship to another. They would have to change the governance (witness voting model) to be more distributed, and make it worth everyone moving to.

It can be done.... but it requires everyone to pull together to beat this deadlock.

if the new one dictates where people can hold stake .. it is a dictatorship ... doesn't matter how wonderful the distribution if is my freedom of choice is infringed

The point is, to effect the change, and take a stand against the current sitution, we need to move as one. We don't want a "sister" token, we want to move, or swap over to the new chain with better protections against a one-man supermajority. Part of the process would be the burning of the old account tokens to acquire the new. The idea is to make the new token the mainstream token by purging as much of the old token as possible... basically burning the house down on the way out... and exchanging one chain for the other. You can start back up on tronsteem with zero later if you want, noone will stop you.

good luck with your theory. Gonna be surprised if many will be interested in having choice removed from the equation. You can start back on one after compliance on the other is still dictatorship. Replacing one tyranny for another doesn't cut it.

What part of this gives you the idea of it being a dictatorship or tyranny?

The point is, to effect the change, and take a stand against the current sitution, we need to move as one. We don't want a "sister" token, we want to move, or swap over to the new chain with better protections against a one-man supermajority.

"Move as one"
"Protections against a one-man supermajority"

The choice here is to unite, design and decide on new set of governance standards together, and move on. Or, we all sit back, do nothing, and hope for the best possible worst case scenario.

At the very least it may just force the hand of the swing voting proxy.token community to pick a side and end the deadlock.

While the price is in the toilet, it me be an opportune time to make a break.

Like I said.. wish you luck with your concept.

I will be far more inclined to follow the concepts reflected in @ats-david's post that entails free choice of being on either chain and letting preference and the markets decide which chain ends up with my attention. Or both if I feel like it without having to give up stake on one to satisfy the dictates of the other. That is freedom not tyranny.

We'll have to agree to disagree.

I don't see any freedom in belonging to two dictatorships. I like @ats-david's idea to move, but the key is "move," and not "split away." People generally only move to something better than where they are, and we do need to move. especially the dApps, web front-ends etc. Not have one foot in each pond.

I stongly believe a clean cut is needed to a better (with greater on-chain freedom and governance) solution, not just another one the same. It would be way too easy to not move. There is freedom to choose to stay with the TRONSTEEM, or move to a better STEEM, with greater on-chain freedoms.

Out of principle, I wouldn't want to keep stake in something I don't agree with the way it was captured from the community, and I wouldn't want anyone who still supports the new owner here to also be on the new "FREESTEEM." If I decide to move, I leave one to go to another. But fomo seems to trump ethics in many places.

@ats-david and you both have the same basic thinking in regards to moving.

The difference is you are proposing a process that imposes your thinking and will on participants. That removes their freedom of choice on how they move. You are proposing a process that places the participant in the position of enforced either / or decision making when most will find there is a lot more gray than black and white.

@ats-david's approach will have greater success. People will be more inclined to move when they can take their time crossing the bridge rather than having to burn it out of necessity instead of choosing to. IF where they are going meets the promised change, they will burn the bridge on their own when they ready. That's freedom of choice.

If you can't see the difference, it makes me very glad that your thinking is not what is driving the ship.