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RE: We As A Community Need To Create A Better New User Experience
You have it backwards, if a new user has a lot of power already, then there would be no reason to purchase SteemPower. And if I lose my perks that I get when holding SP, when I may as well power down.
Also, if brand new account started out with some power, then the system would be subject to sybil attacks, as people would just create tons of accounts and you'd see way worse havok then anything you see now.
What they need to do is remove the $ from display of a post entirely. Only the author should see it. That way users upvote feels like it has the same power, even if it doesn't have the payout. The obsession with $ is hurting the platform.
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@stellabelle you have a lot of pull here. Perhaps you could propose it in a post? I've tried writing a few things on this topic but I don't think they get "heard" if you know what I mean.
I do and I don't. I am not a developer and I don't have any real pull with the founders. Your post says what you think needs to change......
Still, I think if you made the right post describing the issues you saw and asking for help, it would have a lot more visibility. I see a lot of these posts and I've made these posts but I think it would help make a difference. Just a thought.
@stellabelle you are not a dev but u have a lot more exposure than most of us and as we saw in your post about Synereo @ned commented on it multiple times.
This is a great idea IMO. Remove visibility of the $ for everybody else, except for the author, until payout. As @rampant said - "That way users upvote feels like it has the same power"
& also -
This way, individuals are voting on the value they obtain from the post, rather than voting on the collective value already attached to it, by the time they have seen the post - A system, which seems to encourage the same names to be trending and reward quantity over quality, with some of the already established "big hitters" , outsourcing content to fill "their" blogs more and more rapidly". Gaming the system" - as many people see it.
I agree. For those trying to game the curation system they'd still be able to use the number of votes, but it might be less obnoxious than those four-digit payouts for low quality posts.
@rampant yes this could be very easily done with great results. I think initially they wanted the money to be seen so as to attract people by the idea of making that money. Yet instead what is happening is people are seeing the big $$$ and getting excited and realizing it's not likely they will make any and get frustrated and leave.
It is also as said that when a voter sees their vote not increase the post value at all they feel worthless.
While hiding the $ amount wouldn't change the value it would help people feel like their vote was more meaningful.
I agree with the people who say money is screwing with peoples insentives Clearly, for most people Steemit is not a get rich scheme. The idea of monetizing upvotes is a good one, but the only reason I haven't left yet is that I think the platform/community will become better than it is currently.
I totally agree @laconicflow. The community here rocks and I am all in, but the money thing is seriously in the way. May we both be impressed with the way the community develops instead of leaving with a rant in the oven. Crossing fingers. ;)
that might solve one of the problems with the post flagging too. There are some will flag a post just because it is going to get a good payout. That is just jealousy and an abuse of the flagging IMO
Not at all.
It's not jealousy because every user is sharing the daily reward pool so it's in our interest to divvy up the pot as we see fit. For most users their downvote doesn't even affect the payout of a post appreciably, but if they feel a post is getting more than it deserves, then there should be a way of reducing it.
Also, there are posts where someone is posting something harmful to society at large. Once again it's a pool of rewards and thus we have a say in how our reward pool should be shared and with whatever influence you have earned by your SPower you should be able to wield it.
We can only hope that people will use their influence judiciously and not out of spite, envy or some other abusive way. Flagging is more than just for "abuse", just most users here don't know that. Sadly there still isn't a best practices faq or something of that sort for everyone to read that can really explain how things like this work. There is a wiki though that is very informative. Steemwiki.com
it's one thing to flag because something is harmful within the post. Although "harmful to society" is often in the eye of the beholder and whose society.. the beholder or the writer. The difference could be cultural.
It is still quite another to flag simply because the writer is getting more than that person thinks they should. Obviously other readers have already shared as they see fit, who is anyone else to decide they want to take some of that away? Still comes back to jealousy or envy.
You don't understand how the system on Steemit works. It's nothing against you, it's just not explained well at all.
It's a pie of rewards that we all have the potential of profiting from based on votes. If you vote up one person you are taking some small amount of the finite daily pie to give to that one person. That's the simplest way of explaining it and I guarantee you that less than 50% of the users here understand that. They think the money per post is just given freely, but it's not.
Therefore we all should have say about how the money is divvied up. When the rewards are disproportionate for what that user feels they are worth, there is no reason they can't try to dial that back.
As far as envy is concerned. If the real reason someone is flagging is due to envy then that isn't a good reason. If you have been on this site as long as I have you certainly know that there are many many articles that get rewards disproportionate to their contents value. There are many many more that get no reward for excellent well thought out content that took many many hours to prepare. To overcompensate the rewards on a top trending post, that was likely colluded in to trending in the first place, to the detriment of all of the rest of the users is criminal and ultimately detrimental to the site as a whole.
I could go on and on about this topic.
Cheers
I like this idea.
Yes as a newbie here on Steemit, I agree that seeing the $ each post makes is a bit horrifying because I see mediocre posts gaining a lot of $ and great posts with nothing. THis is a total discouragement for me as a new person, thinking about starting to post.
I don't agree.
This is a shared community reward and should be transparent so everyone is accountable. Taking away the knowledge of how much a post is given would be a huge mistake. There is a great deal of fraud that is going on that would be much harder to stop if rewards were unknown.
Also, just letting someone "feel" like it has the same power is lying to them.
Yes, the obsession with money is one aspect that is hurting the platform, but that can be addressed in other ways.
Im not talking about giving them power in terms of monetary power, just empowerment in terms of feeling like they can still participate without buying a large sum. Even if you bought $100 worth now you wouldnt be able to upvote even 1 cent.
The power of the upvote should still be weighted by steam power, since it adds the advantage that users who do a lot for the system or who invest gain power and are more trusted to do the right thing.