Stake through the heart

in #steem6 years ago

Sometimes wonder what has value on Steem, what is worthy of attention and what deserves reward and what doesn't. Quality is obviously a subjective matter (though it isn't really, interest is), but what kind of thing leads this site into a successful future. It would be good to know wouldn't it, because that way we could just do more of that and less of whatever doesn't lead there. This is kind of a free market because people can use their stake as they see fit but this doesn't mean they are going to use it effectively.

I don't know what effectively either, is voting on my overly long texts effective curation? Does what I produce hold any value for anyone, engage anyone, help the platform grow, retain people or inspire them to act or behave in the best interest of the community? I can't say really can I since, it is impossible to tell what effects any one account is truly having other than what they put in or take out from the reward pool and where they place it.

I am pretty sure that my content is relatively high quality in comparison to a lot else but, this doesn't mean it is achieving any particular goals that will improve the well-being and health of the platform or its users, it just means that he content is okay. Is okay content enough to get value here, I have been doing it a while now and yes, I have earned quite a lot more than others... well, I have powered up quite a lot more than others. Earning is a different story of course as I am not a high earner, I am just very consistent in my approach.

Sometimes I wonder what it would have been like if instead of powering up, I extracted most of my earnings and if this would have effected my results here at all. Most likely, I would still be averaging about the same if the voting behaviors of others is any indication. Most don't seem to care if someone extracts it all except when it comes to someone ability to vote on them. The other thing that would change is my real life would be financially in much healthier shape which would take a lot of stress off.

Is this what would have been best for the platform? Instead of powering up, extracting? I can't really say about this either. My intuition is that what the platform needs is a large middle class that has the ability to support a larger and much wider range of users here but, if I am one of those trying for this but the support to keep growing isn't there, perhaps I am mistaken? Wouldn't those who have a lot of value here and are invested think similarly if it was true? Wouldn't they be trying to help build people like me as quickly as possible to take the pressure of a narrow band of users and in so doing, increase the demand on Steem in a multitude of ways? I must be wrong.

I wonder what would happen though if people with 'free' stake just said screw it and found a couple of members who were intent on being community nodes and voted them to the moon until they were at a decent enough level and then slowly remove the support.

There are something like 150 whale accounts and let's say they each average a vote of 100 dollars. What would happen if each day they gave 2 votes to a community node intent on powering up. every week that is about 1200 Steem which means that an account could go from 0 to 20k in about 6 months. that would put 150 community accounts at mid range dolphin level. Does it make a difference? At current prices, it would mean that they would be able to together distribute around about 3500 in vote value every day. That is quite a lot isn't it considering they could potentially support 350 accounts with 10 dollars each a day/ 70 dollars a week. 6 months later that is 350 more accounts with 1000+ SP which can in turn together provide 350 dollars from the pool each day.

Would this make a difference? I don't really know but it seems that these kinds of things need to happen at a large scale in order to be able to keep growing via onboarding. I wonder though, if a whale were to choose some accounts to support heavily, what would qualify as a worthy account. I'd like to think mine is one but I am not so sure it is because if it was, wouldn't the support be there consistently already?

I think of course that a lot of value needs to go to the app developers (if producing something worthy) but, I do think that the content that is going to populate the various apps and interfaces needs to be at least somewhat decent. Who is incentivizing good content these days? There are some of course but these lay in narrow bands of interest. Without that middle class, it is unlikely that those bands will widen very much or at least, not very quickly.

I take the view that no matter the reward I get, content still ha to be okay enough that I myself wouldn't mind reading it. I would be pretty lame if I posted things I wouldn't even want to vote on. But, that does not necessarily mean it has any value to the platform whatsoever. Maybe it is even harmful. Hard to say really isn't it?

I think it would be interesting to model what the platform would like like with an engaged middle class and what kinds of effects they could have on content, distribution and the account growth of other users. It would be interesting to see if the type of content support shifts and the Steem content reduces in favor of more human and interest based content. I think that with a large enough middle class, the platform would then be able to evolve and be less about Steem and more about the topics that interest humans in their real lives.

I think that the longer it takes to build that middle core, the longer this platform will remain a toddler struggling to run. I could be massively wrong in this, but for the most part, wrong or not, not much is going to change very quickly. The beauty of decentralization is also coupled with the freedom to not act.

Taraz
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This is very interesting but not everyone will think this way. It seems the system is comfortable with the few whales and dolphins and everyone else is left to struggle at the bottom. I don't know if that is helping the system in anyway, but it seems that is how it's designed to be: I may be wrong though! Talking about posts that are enhancing the system, I don't think most trending posts are doing that. Most posts trend not because of their value to the community but because of the Relationship the posters have built over time with higher members in the system. So it seems people don't curate anymore based on value of the post but on what they will get back from the person. I don't think the system will last long if such pattern continues.

most posts trend because they have votes bought on them. The only metric trending looks at is price the post draws from the pool. Trending is meaningless and has been since the start because even without the bots, it is as you say.

Honestly I didn't even know there were that many whales. Maybe helping others grow isn't a priority.

I even came across a statement by someone with a high reputation that suggested restricting bandwidth for new users even further. Like I said, the steemworld is no different from real life in institutionalizing classism and despising the poor

The poor here need to stop seeing it as a get rich quick or pay the bills platform, power up and band together and do something worthwhile to change things. It isn't going to be a trickle down system. You know this though. btw, find me on discord or steem.chat when you have a chance.

You can post your discord link...

tarazkp#5792

The distribution of voting power does seem to be a big problem here, though I think it would not be if the rules were changed, such as suggested by @kevinwong. What should be an immediate concern for anyone interested in the future of Steem is @quantalysus analysis showing the Gini Coefficient of Steemit is somewhere between 0.616 and 0.93 with probably the most accurate estimate being closer to 0.914. As this post points out, if Steem were a country it would be the most unequal society in the world! The comments are worth reading since some claim that the distribution is getting better. I've certainly seen a number of communities and powerful individuals working to make a difference. And Steem is cheap right now, so buying some is an option if you have some spare crypto or fiat currency.

Kevin's suggestions would do something but, not everything would work as expected since, it never does. At the end of the day, it is human behaviour that needs to change but, that isn't going to shift too fast.

I agree. Unintended consequences are always part of any rule system where humans are involved. This is why rules need to constantly change. It might be an interesting experiment to create a system that dynamically changes the rules to achieve certain user behaviors.

Will everyone else thing the same way, no they won't because selfishness and greed is a nasty part of many people. I feel bad that my vote means nothing, but i'm going to keep giving it till it does mean something. I will keep growing till what I give has value and then I will keep giving it.

I know my posts are nowhere near as full and long as yours, yet, I'll keep at it till it means something enough to some. Part of being part of a community is respecting that people are different and will all bring something different.

nothing wrong with different but sometimes I wonder if people wold even bother reading their own work if it had come from someone else.

No sure I do agree that there really should be some standards otherwise it'll all just turn into a crap fest

I do not read all of your posts, Honestly again, I followed you on a tip that you give a decent reward. I am guessing there are more than I who do this. On most topics, I could find something to type and make it look like I know half of what I talk about,

I am not in the middle class yet so I cannot speak of those from a personal perspective, But I do see them in Steemit and Discord. I am trying to find the words to write a post on what I see there.
Briefly, the post would be, How those of a level say over 500SP Bring new members to discord channels and that's it, There is nothing else from those members after that, A newbie enters the group with no clue or guidance in many circumstances. Dumping someone in a discord group and then leaving them to figure the server out and its function is not helpful to the new user or the platform, If the new guy/girl asks a question, much of the time they are given a link, "go read this". from experience of my own, this helps no one. sending someone to read something they have no clue about is a negative help. When people decide to assist another they should do so, join this group, go read this. Is the lazy way to help anyone.

Helping someone costs you time, if people do not give that time, they have not helped in most cases and just past the buck of assisting.
Just another item to examine in the ability of the platform to succeed.

I don't mind people coming for the comment reward as long as they add something useful. When it comes to discord/chat, there is only so many times someone can answer "how do I get more votes?" or the amount of times people message with different ways trying to get votes directly.

There is a certain amount of proactivity required before someone experienced will spend time on helping. Experience is a great teacher and many people are time wasters.

You are correct regarding a middle class and getting one as soon as possible. If everyone was powering up this place would be healthy and there would be few worries. Engagement is key and wish more would do it. I look forward to the day where you don't see it as work but just pleasure. I am getting there but will still take time.

I enjoy some parts of it, others I dread. I love writing some things and others it is a little bit of a chore. But, this is what skill development is, not everything is going to feel god.

I agree with your thoughts on steemit needing a middle class. What I think happens is many come here that "need" money so they end up extracting much of it instead of powering up. In some ways im ok with that because in time if this place sticks around it increases my "portion" of the reward pool awards. I do tend to support those who power up more though.

nothing wrong with getting there slowly except, the competition that will learn from the failures here quickly. I hope it does stick around though, i have put a lot of time into trying to get it to and I don't like failing ;)

My intuition is that what the platform needs is a large middle class that has the ability to support a larger and much wider range of users here...

I wrote something along those lines five days ago. I even referenced someone's post there 😃

My community (sports betting) isn't popular on steemit and there are not many community nodes. I'm trying to be one, but with my 100 SP, all I can do is to give a moral support:

I believe that this platform would be a totally different place if we had 5k dolphins. With that number, there would be enough of diversity among them to support various niches here.

I've read somewhere that there's a steemit account with 40 million SP (don't know if true) under the control of stemit inc. If that's true, imagine if they took the 5k most active accounts that have less than 1k in SP and delegated 5k SP to each... this place would be on fire.

yes. @steemit is the account.
That was ninja mined and there is an unwritten law it won't be used. One, because of the way it was earned, two, because it is an authoritarian measure. I am sure that one day it will do something, maybe burn.

totally agree with you, is something very remarkable because few think like you, certainly if you help the community and give your knowledge and many people are nourished by them and the most important thing is that the motivation is to receive a response or a vote of your part and the interaction is a pleasant thing, there are other people that one is simply interested in what they publish and they ignore you and it is like that even in real life, those that are not important leave them aside and those that are worth are the ones that help and should not be like that

If lots of people spent a little time reading and supporting others, the place would feel much better.

Of course, the understanding would be broader, as would the interaction, that would help the brother community more

Great article. I think you are absolutely right. We deffinately need a larger middle class. I think that some support frome these whales would set off a butterfly effect. Once the middle class had more voting power, they would be distributing the wealth to others, whos content they enjoy. Right now it seems highly divided. Once a middle class is established, I believe steem will take off. That's jusy my opinion though. I know that once i get a little voting power, I will be spreading it around. I think that others will do the same as well. Not all, but some at least.

There is some kind of critical point with manual curation I think and if it reaches that on the downside, the system collapses or at least, fails to do what it set out to.